He got lucky?

I think he got lucky it went in but Efren knew he could hit it or get close. He understands the rails like no one and so it wasn't pure luck.
 
He layed his cue on that third rail right where he needed to hit it with the cue ball to make the shot. Then he hit it right there. A low percentage shot indeed, but he was going for it.
 
Yeah, you could say there was a bit of luck that he made it but watching Efren's history he'd have to be the luckiest MF in the world because he's made so many of these types of shots that it isn't even funny. The man is a master of the cushions so I'd go out on a limb and say that it was 95% skill and 5% luck.
MULLY
 
The system is call "Plus 2" a basic system in 3-Cushion which Efren is very proficient at. Sure, hitting it absolutely perfect like he did isn't a 100% certainty but he calculated it by the numbers and his numbers were correct. Playing it to come off the top of the OB would give him a decent chance at a return safety if he missed.

A well thought out well executed shot IMHO.
 
I would also agree that the pot was a 'hoped for' but lucky result, but contact with the object ball wasn't at all luck. If you were to set up an ob in the same spot, and then the cb at the position where it last struck the rail before contact on the ob, you'd realize what a difficult and decieving cut shot is in the first place. I doubt anybody could make that kid of a cut shot consistently with a three rail kick shot. However, it's Reyes superb kicking abilities that will generally put the cb pretty close to where it needs to be in order to pocket the shot, so although it is a lucky shot, he's definitley playing for luck.
dave
 
poolnoob said:
Not sure if this have been posted before. The first time i see it though. Efren did get lucky there......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWRAfZ25JRU
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While he was expecting to hit the ball, I doubt he was playing the back-cut. He got lucky.

If he was trying to hit the object ball on the thin side, he was probably figuring to drive the object ball to the end cushion and back out. He may have been trying to hit the object ball full and leave it on the other side of the 14.

I think the only real way to find out would be to ask him.
 
lucky to make it?

It looks like he hit it just a bit thinner then he intended. A great shot though he could have gotten a nice safe as well.
 
On everyy kickshot, where the object-ball is placed *widely in the green* and a bit away from the pocket you need some luck, even also if you know the table perfectly :)
But Efren is really a kickin machine- what he is *hittin*, especially under pressure....that s amazing. He sure knows some diamon-system, but imo he even plays some bank-shots and kick-shots just because of his ability to remember and experience-not many are able to act like this.
 
Lucky?

I agree with those who have said that he expected to get a hit and that he was lucky to make the ball.

Look at the screen captures below and you will see that he missed his intended target on the third rail by about a half a ball. It looks like he sas playing a 2 way shot, hit where he had lined up and it results in a safe or hit a little short and make it.

Great shot.


In this image you can see where he lined up to contact the third rail.
Efren kick 3.jpg


This image shows the CB as it is about to contact the third rail.
Efren kick 5.jpg


Here it shows the CB just as it is coming off the third rail.
Efren kick 4.jpg
 
Plus 2?

3kushn said:
The system is call "Plus 2" a basic system in 3-Cushion which Efren is very proficient at. Sure, hitting it absolutely perfect like he did isn't a 100% certainty but he calculated it by the numbers and his numbers were correct. Playing it to come off the top of the OB would give him a decent chance at a return safety if he missed.

A well thought out well executed shot IMHO.
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Is there a corollary to 'plus 2' that is the basis for this 'plus 6' along the near long rail? Or does Efren just 'see' it?

My limited understanding of 'plus 2' predicably moves the cb 2 diamonds up the long rail when both cb and ob are both between the corner and the side pocket-by shooting the cb toward the diagonally opposite corner.

Efren sure gets lucky alot. Great shot!

3railkick
 
an old story

Efren is maybe the luckiest pool player on the face of the planet. The reasons are simple, his skills and self confidence put him in the position to get lucky. Most people wouldn't even consider the shots he shoots so we will never make them. Sometimes you just have to take the shot and hope the gods are smiling on you that day.

Hu
 
3RAILKICK said:
Is there a corollary to 'plus 2' that is the basis for this 'plus 6' along the near long rail? Or does Efren just 'see' it? ...
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I think the "plus system" is called the "plus 2 system" sometimes because the corner is more or less "plus 2." The farther you first hit from the corner you are shooting into, the higher the plus number. It looks to me like Efren was looking for where he had to hit on the second cushion when he put his stick on the rail, and then hit there. I suspect he did it by feel. The plus system is touchy in the best of situations, and is particularly bad when you are close to a cushion and jacked up as he was.

See page 295 in Byrne's "New Standard Book" for the numbers for the plus system. On page 70 of Willie Hoppe's "Billiards As It Should Be Played," he says in part,
The plus system, sometimes referred to as the "Plus 2 System," is illustrated in Diagram No. 94.
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Hoppe does not discuss any particular difficulty in the system, and his cushion numberings are somewhat different from Byrne's.
 
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