Help ID and Value Runde Schon

Shooter08

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Trying to help a friend determine the model and value of a Runde Schon he received as a gift from his father in about 1985. His dad received it from a Schon employee at the time and it is not marked Schon on the butt cap, it came this way, the butt cap has not been replaced. He has the original shaft and a additional shaft from 1993 that says Schon on the collar. I am 99% sure it is a Schon based on the styling. Does anyone know the model or approx value. He is considering selling it outright, no trades, but wants to establish a fair value first. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you want to PM offers I will take them to him. The 1993 shaft will be available separately if he decides to sell. THx
 
It Could Be Worth More Than You've Been Told

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So what do you think? I am curious. I have followed Schon cues for years both here, eBay and privately. Thus, my opinion. But, I admit, I never claim to know it all so I am always willing to learn a little more.
 
Matt, I am a Schon dealer and have a small collection. I Think retail is probably 9-1100. It is not my cue, I'm just helping someone out, I have no vested interest in the cue selling. If it was mine I would keep it. THx.
 
Wow, I'm a little surprised that some of you guys think it's an SP-30. The first is that it has sharp points, SP series have CNC'd points.
Just my .02
 
I think the challenge is trying to give the OP a reliable answer about the value of the cue but it's entirely based upon photos.
Normally that wouldn't be as difficult when the cue has an identifying trademark or logo of the cue-maker.
I realize there are great counterfeits being made nowadays but that's all the more reason that the cue needs to be physically examined since its authenticity is not yet known.

Personally, I've never seen a Runde made Schon and it's probably a slight to Evan Clarke's cue-making to refer to some Schons as Runde made,
that did not have Schon's logo on the cue butt. Certainly even a logo can be counterfeited but my point is that since there's no identification on the cue that it's indeed a Schon,
one has to be careful. I mean Jerry R. or another equivalent talented cue-maker could have made this cue so it does not have to be a Runde Schon.

Having said all of this, let's talk cue value assuming the cue was a Runde Schon. In my opinion, the estinates thrown around here are too low.
The cue should command a price within the range of $1300 -1750 if it was an early Schon Bob made. However, Bob wasn't active that much making cues the last year or so while
he owned Schon and he sold his interest in late '91 or early '92 as I recall. Anyway, Schons made after 1990 are ones that I would scruntinize carefully to try and confirm it was Bob's workmanship.

There are tales tossed around that Bob produced cues with just CNC cuts while he was at Schon. I can't state one way or the other whether that's true. What I do know is Bob disliked the very
look of CNC cuts and felt the cue looked incomplete. He and I spent a couple of hours back at the inaugural BCA trade show in Fort Worth back in "85 discussing his cue-making and I was very
impressed with him. And so I told him what I wanted for a design and gave him a 50% downpayment ($800 was a lot of money back at that time for any cue).
Anyway, I know firsthand that Bob did not like the overall look of CNC points on a cue and really can't imagine him ever changing his views about cue designs.

It would be a stretch to refer to every Schon cue made as a Runde Schon just because Bob owned the business with Terry R. (God R.I.P.). Bob was a hands on cue-maker and we talked a lot
when he was making my cue. A Schon cue without sharp points is tough to even think of as a Runde but just because a cue has sharp points also doesn't mean it has to be a Runde Schon either.
So the cue needs to be looked at for its construction etc to confirm it is a Schon and if it is, then I say it's a Runde and worth more than what's been written......Just my opinion.

Look, I don't even want your cue but if it's a Schon, then I'd give you a grand right now because Runde probably did make it and the value is worth much more.
your cue but if it's a Runde Schon, I'll give you grand right now and I don't want the cue but the price would be too good to be true to pass up.

Matt
 
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Wow, I'm a little surprised that some of you guys think it's an SP-30. The first is that it has sharp points, SP series have CNC'd points.
Just my .02

Actually, we had one just like this about 12-13 years ago except with different veneer colors. That's the info that was relayed to us at the time....an SP cue. It was supposedly made right at the tail end of the R series and they were sort of "transitional cues".....i.e. still using up some of the short splices they had before everything went to inlaid, flat bottom points. Silver rings at the joint never seem to command as much from collectors compared to those with maple stitch rings....although I have always liked the silver more. Ours was supposedly late '80s to circa '90 cue. My thoughts, fwiw :)
 
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Wow, I'm a little surprised that some of you guys think it's an SP-30. The first is that it has sharp points, SP series have CNC'd points.
Just my .02

This is my SP-22, It has sharp points and inlays




You have a beautiful cue. Looks like an SP-30 to me.
 
I think $800 but if I was interested I would want something from Schon telling me it was one of theirs.

I am troubled without the Schon labeling too. I dont consider myself a Schon expert, but I do know buyers of cues. If there is a question about something, it affects the value. :rolleyes:

I recommend sending it to them for a refinish and either a letter or a labeling and IMO, if everything else checks out $1K max.

JMO.

Ken
 
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