Help identify old, tooled leather wrap cue (no pics, sorry)

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This is probably an impossible request, though I've always wondered what I had before I lost it.

Quick Description: 2-piece cue with tooled-leather wrap spiralled around the handle, points (maybe veneers?), some mother of pearl (?) inlays, inverted joint (joint screw on the shaft). The joint was possibly a brass or other material. I'm fairly certain it wasn't steel.

Additional: The cue was my grandfather's, born 1903 and lived in Rayne, Louisiana, if that helps with its origins. It seemed to be custom, but with no identifying marks that I remember. He was a farmer and probably didn't travel? Pool was a big deal in the family and there were many relatives and friends who played at his house. My dad said he was pretty good. He had 2 pool tables, a 9' GC (I or II?) inside the house and an 8' in the detached, 2nd garage. I'm guessing the cue had to be made before the 1970s, probably in the 50s-60s, though could be earlier?

When my grandfather passed away in '87, my grandmother gave me a couple of his old cues. The cues were hidden in a closet, unlike the many one-piece and cheap, two-piece cues on the cue racks. One was an old walking cane cue stick, nearly identical to this one. The other one was this nice, custom-looking cue with a brown, tooled-leather wrap. The unique thing about the wrap was that it was a long, thin strip of leather with very ornamental tooling, and wrapped diagonally around the handle. That may have been common once, though I've never seen another like it. I don't remember a lot of details about the decoration, other than it was very classic looking, beautiful, and the leather wrap really "worked" with the look of it.

Unfortunately, when I was playing at home with it one day, I was standing at the end of the table, planning my next shot, and bouncing the cue. With my focus far ahead on the table, I misjudged the location of the shaft and it started to fall to the side. My lightning quick reflex to grab the shaft, was slightly off, and I ended up "punching it" with my fingers, forcing it into a much faster rotation away from me. The tip hit first, with speed, and immediately split the shaft open around the joint. The joint screw was on the shaft end, and could have been yanked out after the damage was done. The joint decor rings on the butt were cracked open as well, assuming I'm not confusing it with another broken cue from my youth. This is one of the more regrettable acts of my youth. The stick meant a lot to me, though I struggle now to understand why in the world I would have been so careless with it.

That's not the worst of it. Within a year or so, my dad found a cuemaker who said he could likely repair the cue if it was sent to him. Gratefully, I had my dad take it with him to work, and presumably mailed to the guy. Soon after, my dad returned with word that the man said he could not repair the cue, however the tooled leather was nice and he could return it to me, or just throw it away. I told my dad I seriously wanted it back, no question. The guy never returned it. I've always assumed, whoever this guy was, he either repaired the cue for himself or reused the leather wrap in one of his own cues. That may not be likely, but the tooling I assumed was more intricate than anyone would normally invest into a cue. Perhaps a less pessimistic view is the cue and wrap really were worthless and the guy mistakenly threw it away?

I never got to play with my grandpa, as a stroke had reduced him when I was young. Cancer had him bedridden within a few more years and his bed was moved into their large pool room, where he was often sleeping when I played (I was maybe 10 at that point.) Maybe weird, but I sort of thought he liked me playing in there, so he could have the company. Now I just hope that the constant ball drop (it had an annoying bounce to it, like ball on a hard plastic) and gully return didn't drive him crazy. Still, learning to play by myself in his pool room, on that 9' Gold Crown table are some of my most cherished memories.

Sorry for the long story. It felt good to talk about it. :) I no longer have the cue, but I'd love to at least know more about it.

TIA
 
Sorry for your loss. While I'm not a particular cue expert, I've owned dozens of cues, and seen 1000's more. To my knowledge, and I could be wrong, there was only one quality cuemaker who put the joint screw in the shaft, instead of the butt. His name was Eddie Laube, he was from Chicago, and made cues in the 60's. However, most if not all of his cues had his name on them, in a plastic window on the bottom of the butt end of the cue. MANY Taiwan cues were made this way, and imported to the US. It sounds like (please don't take it personally) like your grandpa's cue was a cheap Filipino or Taiwan import (like the 'walking cane' cue you mentioned...pure junk). Without pictures, it's impossible to know. I'm sure it had extreme sentimental value to you.

Scott Lee
 
Having pics would have been nice and a smart thing to do before shipping the cue off somewhere to be fixed. That was my second mistake, but I was maybe 15-16.

I was hoping the tooled leather wrap might be an indicator, or the possibility he got it from a local cuemaker in Louisiana.

Based on memory, I was thinking it wasn't too cheap, but knowing it could have been eases the guilt a bit. :cool: Nonetheless, I've treated every cue since like it was worth more than my arm. Unfortunate, but sometimes lessons are learned best the hard way. The same goes for pool.

The cane cue, I thought I heard once, came from New Orleans. It is pure junk, this I knew, however it was a fun gimmick.
 
I was hoping the tooled leather wrap might be an indicator, or the possibility he got it from a local cuemaker in Louisiana.

Based on memory, I was thinking it wasn't too cheap, but knowing it could have been eases the guilt a bit.



From your description, including the wrap, it sounds like it was an inexpensive Asian made cue. I feel pretty strongly about that.



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From your description, including the wrap, it sounds like it was an inexpensive Asian made cue. I feel pretty strongly about that.

Fantastic, thanks to both of you. This is a bit of a relief that I didn't destroy an expensive, treasured cue. This would be further enforced by the fact the cue was not protected within a case. I had forgotten that detail until now. There was not much expense saved in the quality of the pool room, but that's not to say he was in need of an expensive cue to enjoy it.

Thanks again guys
 
Doc is one of the smartest people when it comes to IDing cues but in this case, I'd be trying to get that cue back just for sentimental reasons.

There are a few repairmen around these parts that can duplicate ring work
etc and do restores that can make a cue look better than when it was new.

Not arguing with Doc but my once in a while Spidey sense tells me maybe something different here.

Maybe its just because I have a bit of a suspicious nature at times.

If it were my Grand Pappy's cue, I would have it restored regardless of its
actual value.
 
Doc is one of the smartest people when it comes to IDing cues but in this case, I'd be trying to get that cue back just for sentimental reasons.

There are a few repairmen around these parts that can duplicate ring work
etc and do restores that can make a cue look better than when it was new.

Not arguing with Doc but my once in a while Spidey sense tells me maybe something different here.

Maybe its just because I have a bit of a suspicious nature at times.

If it were my Grand Pappy's cue, I would have it restored regardless of its
actual value.
Believe me, I nearly cried after the man didn't return the cue. Cheap, expensive, broke or not, I would have held onto that cue forever.

I didn't know who was repairing the cue, be it a professional or not. I do know that I told my dad without a doubt I had to have that stick back. Knowing this, he came back with something like the guy had already thrown it away by mistake. That story never sat well with me, because I believed the cue to be worth a lot of money. This is back around 1987-8. I was 16 I guess, no clue what to do about it at that point. Nothing but regrets ever since.

That being said, I've blamed myself for being a big stupidhead for bouncing the cue on its bumper in the first place. I was acting like it was one of the other cheap POS cues I had with screw-on tips, probably out of habit. Like I said above, I never handled a cue like that again.

Ironically, I've had poor luck with cues. I bought a $75 Palmer cue after that (maybe in '89), and lost it, along with my new Gem cue in 2001, when T.S. Allison flooded our rent house in Houston. After the Gem, I shot with a friend's Schon and occasionally his Meucci. Those were both stolen. Coincidence?
 
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