Help Identify this cue

Knight-of-Pool

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I have had this cue for about 11 years . It has no makers name or mark on it. The pics are not the best will try to get some more tonite. Thanks for any help.
 
Knight-of-Pool said:
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I have had this cue for about 11 years . It has no makers name or mark on it. The pics are not the best will try to get some more tonite. Thanks for any help.
Nice old cue...
Possibly a very early Tim Scruggs"
GET Nice clear pictures...also of the joint pin and collars and remove the rubber bumper, get some pics there as well < WILL HELP OUT ALOT :wink:
 
It will help if you can post pics of the bumper and the weight bolt. Is that a stainless steel joint pin? what material is the joint made from?
the splices in the forearm look real good. are the points even? The ferule look like it is newer than the rest of the cue, did you have a new one put on?
 
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The cue has a brass pin, the weight bolt has a phillips head on it. The bumper is not the right one. Not sure what the joint is made of. shaft is 28 3/8" long thats from end of the ferule to the end and is 11mm at tip. The butt is 28 3/4" long. Here is a pic of the end of the shaft.pic 4.jpg
I love the cue alot would like to know who made it. Want to get it refinished by the maker. Thanks for all the help this forum really rocks.
 
Knight-of-Pool said:
The cue has a brass pin, the weight bolt has a phillips head on it. The bumper is not the right one. Not sure what the joint is made of. shaft is 28 3/8" long thats from end of the ferule to the end and is 11mm at tip. The butt is 28 3/4" long. Here is a pic of the end of the shaft.View attachment 83707
I love the cue alot would like to know who made it. Want to get it refinished by the maker. Thanks for all the help this forum really rocks.

Is there a plastic insert in the shaft, please post some clear photo's of the cues bumper, the cues joint, and another photo of the bottom of the shaft.
 
I recommend you to use the Macro mode on your camera. It has a seperate button on virtually all (or 99% of the) cameras. Look for this drawing on your camera.
 
There is a Plastic looking insert in the end of the shaft. I will try to get more pics up tomorrow. Thanks for all the info and help this is the best Billiard forum and the members are the greatest. Thanks again Jerry
 
Knight-of-Pool said:
There is a Plastic looking insert in the end of the shaft. I will try to get more pics up tomorrow. Thanks for all the info and help this is the best Billiard forum and the members are the greatest. Thanks again Jerry

Cue could be an Early Heubler, can you take a photo of the cues bumper? There is also another possiblity, the cue could also be a National cue. I have also seen National cues with the insert in the shaft. For those who don't know it, Bob Meucci, Richard Helmstetter, Rico Cervanties, and Paul Huebler all worked together at National cue.
 
i have a mali from 1977 that has almost the same look of this cue.the points are exactly the same and the stitches are the same as well.mine has a ss joint and fancier butt.
 
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Here are few more pic of the cue. The pics are not very good one of the insert in the shaft, one of the weight bolt, one of the butt and one of the joint. Thanks for all the help. Jerry
 
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manwon said:
The weight bolt in the cue makes me think that the cue is certainly a National cue. I have seen two others with the same style weight bolt, and everyone also had the insert in the shaft. I have never seen a catalog for National cues, and I do not know if one exists. In addition I also do not know where there are any other photo's of pertinent information for National cues.

Sorry I can't help any more.

how important is the weight bolt as far as indentification goes?

the reason i ask is because i took the bumper off my mali and it was the same.

my mali,i'm told,was made by palmer.the points,collars,and weight bolt are the same.mine has a 5/16-18 piloted pin,no insert.could the insert be something that was added later?
 
havoc said:
how important is the weight bolt as far as indentification goes?

the reason i ask is because i took the bumper off my mali and it was the same.

my mali,i'm told,was made by palmer.the points,collars,and weight bolt are the same.mine has a 5/16-18 piloted pin,no insert.could the insert be something that was added later?

Mali cues were not made by Palmer, however, they also did make the forearms. Palmer did however sell Mali cues, along with some other brands starting on the 1970's. The forearms for many of the older Mali cues were purchased from different companies, some came from Adam Cues Japan. The shaft insert is nylon and along with the weight bolt I am certain it is a National cue. I am pretty certain that the style of weight bolt used was first used by Nation in the late 1960's. I think after that time frame many cue makers started buying these parts from the same supplier.

Since there are know catalogs for Nation Cues information about them is based upon the knowledge of collectors or others like myself who are in this business.
 
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