Help: Jump Break cue vs Jump + Break Cue seperately?

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Hi everyone,

As you may have heard, we have a new jump cue with a new tip that we debut in valley Forge, and it was very well received.

I have received a lot of requests about if I am going to build a line of break cue, and a line of jump cues--rather than just one jump break cue.

I know jump break offers a lot of convenience, and the X Breaker is known to be a good break cue and jump cue; on the other hand, some believe that a cue should be built for a specific task, rather than a combination of two.

I am very interested in hearing your feedback on this matter. Your opinion will be very helpful regarding our product development.

Thank you very much in advanced.

Regards,
Richard
 
Hi Richard,

I like the saying "if you build it, they will come." Your X-Breaker is very well received on the market. If your Jump cue was very well received, why not build and market both? At least to see if the interest is there. Given the X-Breaker reputation, I am sure both products would be successful.

However, my personal preference is to have a J/B cue, not two separate cues. I don't use the jump shot enough to warrant the purchase of just a jump cue.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

Regards,
Craig
 
Irish634 said:
Hi Richard,

I like the saying "if you build it, they will come." Your X-Breaker is very well received on the market. If your Jump cue was very well received, why not build and market both? At least to see if the interest is there. Given the X-Breaker reputation, I am sure both products would be successful.

However, my personal preference is to have a J/B cue, not two separate cues. I don't use the jump shot enough to warrant the purchase of just a jump cue.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

Regards,
Craig
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Hi Craig,

Thank you for your input, much appreciated. I felt that a multi task cue woudl add more value to the customer since the player can use the cue for more than one particular shot. I have worked very hard to make sure the cue is not biased in terms of performance towards one task over another.

The X breaker was built as a break cue before it is a jump cue, interestingly, lots of players told me they really like how it jumps. I have decided to build a new jump cue as well. This jump cue was designed to be a very accurate jump cue, with a new X2 tip.

I agree with what you are saying. I guess I am just trying to understand how most people would feel about this issue, so I can do my best in offering them what they need and want.

If the total price of a break cue and a jump cue is about the same as that of a jump/break cue, will most people still be interested in the jump break combination?

Thank you for the response once again.
Regards,
Richard
 
X Breaker said:
Hi everyone,

As you may have heard, we have a new jump cue with a new tip that we debut in valley Forge, and it was very well received.

I have received a lot of requests about if I am going to build a line of break cue, and a line of jump cues--rather than just one jump break cue.

I know jump break offers a lot of convenience, and the X Breaker is known to be a good break cue and jump cue; on the other hand, some believe that a cue should be built for a specific task, rather than a combination of two.

I am very interested in hearing your feedback on this matter. Your opinion will be very helpful regarding our product development.

Thank you very much in advanced.

Regards,
Richard
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I believe in having a cue for a specific purpose. I don't wan to sacrifice performance for convenience. I don't use my jump cue that often but I use my break cue all the time. I just don't see the purpose in have a cue that does two things pretty good when I can have 2 seperate cues do one thing really well. I would be very interested to see and use one of your jump cues. I am also very interested in the price of the jump cue. PM me if you don't want to list the price or anything. Let me know if you are able to work anything out with trying out the jump cue. I would be more than happy to write up a review and even let some other local players use it and have them write a review as well. Thanks

BVal
 
Irish634 said:
Hi Richard,

I like the saying "if you build it, they will come." Your X-Breaker is very well received on the market. If your Jump cue was very well received, why not build and market both? At least to see if the interest is there. Given the X-Breaker reputation, I am sure both products would be successful.

However, my personal preference is to have a J/B cue, not two separate cues. I don't use the jump shot enough to warrant the purchase of just a jump cue.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

Regards,
Craig
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I agree with Craig. I like the convenience of having a J/B cue. This is the first one that I've ever owned and can't believe how well it jumps, not to mention how good it breaks. I know several people that have bought J/B cues for the very reason of convenience.
Whatever road you decide to go Richard, I'm sure everyone will love the new line that you are going to produce.

- Juan
 
Richard,
I saw that the new jump cue you have designed features an ash shaft and bowling ball ferrule. Will the jump/break combination have all the same features as the new jump cue? If not, then I think it would be better if you offered a jump cue and break cue separately. Otherwise if someone were to order the combination, the performance may be lacking a bit compared to the specific jump cue and break cue.

Thanks,
Alvin
 
Richard... my vote goes to two separate cues... each one designed for a specific task. I have both (Predator BK2 and a Lucasi jump stick).

IMO, jump cues need to have thick(er) shafts and harder tips than customary break cues... and they also need to be very light (in order to generate enuf cue speed to jump full balls when used in a more traditional way (hand under elbow)... and for the dart stroke (hand above elbow), they need to be lighter to get out of the way of the cue ball).

I believe the key is... can you make a J/B stick that jumps as well as a pure jump stick?... my guess (and it's only that)... is "no, you can't". I don't mean this in a challenging way... it's just my opinion.

Also.. fwiw... my BK2 came with a phenolic tip... and I had my cuemaker cut it off because whitey was too difficult to control with that phenolic tip. He installed a Talisman Break tip... much better. And my Lucasi jump stick has a phenolic tip... and it works great for that application.

So, I believe that the tips should likely be different, the shafts different... and likely, it will be easier to make a dedicated jump stick lighter that the jump portion of a J/B stick.

Hope that this helps. Regards, cd.
 
X Breaker said:
... I have worked very hard to make sure the cue is not biased in terms of performance towards one task over another.
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But by doing so, doesn't that imply that one of the tasks was somewhat compromised, to match that of the other?

To follow what BVal mentioned. Some people would value convenience over performance. But some would rather get a separate jump and break cue that would score an A+ on their own, than a jump/break combo that scores an A on both.
 
A jump cue needs super high squirt to get that cueball to pop, and a break cue needs very low squirt to help you hit the center of the head ball squarely on a hard break.

My best jumps came with a jump cue that had a brass ferrule and a white diamond tip. Effortless and accurate. (You really should try a brass ferrule on your jump cue.)

But when I screwed that jump shaft onto a regular cue butt to break---Watch Out! The cue ball was just too hard to control and went off the table like crazy. I get much better breaking control and results with a cue with a leather tip.

IMHO they should be separate items, each geared to produce the most exceptional highest performing product possible.

Or you could just sell X breakers with a break shaft and a jump shaft, and put quick release joints on for a little convenience.

Good luck,
Ian

ps. if you do come out with a break cue will you please put a matte finish instead of clear coat from the shaft to the grip (similar to BK2), because on a long follow through, your hand really starts to feel the friction!!
 
I would sell them both and let the customer decide which one suits them best. I use j/b cues and regular jump cues , it's hard for me to tell a difference, they both work.
 
Business wise, I'd say go for the separate cues, while retaining the j/b product line. That way, you cater to both convenience and performance players.
 
Personally I prefer quality over convienance. I would buy the best break cue on the market since to me this is the most important shot of the game. I'd then buy the best jump cue. So far, the best jump cue I've used is the X-Breaker v2. The best breaker would go to the Predator (IMHO).
 
X Breaker said:
Hi Craig,

Thank you for your input, much appreciated. I felt that a multi task cue woudl add more value to the customer since the player can use the cue for more than one particular shot. I have worked very hard to make sure the cue is not biased in terms of performance towards one task over another.

The X breaker was built as a break cue before it is a jump cue, interestingly, lots of players told me they really like how it jumps. I have decided to build a new jump cue as well. This jump cue was designed to be a very accurate jump cue, with a new X2 tip.

I agree with what you are saying. I guess I am just trying to understand how most people would feel about this issue, so I can do my best in offering them what they need and want.

If the total price of a break cue and a jump cue is about the same as that of a jump/break cue, will most people still be interested in the jump break combination?

Thank you for the response once again.
Regards,
Richard
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If the total price of the Jump cue and the Break cue equaled (or even if it was a bit more) the price of the J/B cue I would deffinatly go with the sepperate cues. As stated jump cues and break cues have opposite needs, there is no perfect cue that does both perfectly. I'm sure anything that is put out by your company will be well recieved, I personally would like to see two lines, one J/B, and one sepperate.

-Justin
 
fullsplicefiend said:
Or you could just sell X breakers with a break shaft and a jump shaft, and put quick release joints on for a little convenience.
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Good idead. How bout if the 2nd shaft (jump shaft) would connect directly to the bottom half of the cue? So after breaking, you take out the bottom part and with quick release, put the jump shaft on it. I know the cue diameter would be way thicker than the jump shaft and that the joint would look funny. But maybe there's a way?
 
X Breaker said:
Hi everyone,

As you may have heard, we have a new jump cue with a new tip that we debut in valley Forge, and it was very well received.

I have received a lot of requests about if I am going to build a line of break cue, and a line of jump cues--rather than just one jump break cue.

I know jump break offers a lot of convenience, and the X Breaker is known to be a good break cue and jump cue; on the other hand, some believe that a cue should be built for a specific task, rather than a combination of two.

I am very interested in hearing your feedback on this matter. Your opinion will be very helpful regarding our product development.

Thank you very much in advanced.

Regards,
Richard
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I have a j/b and a jump stick. I find that jumping with the jump portion of my j/b to be great for longer jumps, but for short and up close jumps I still prefer my stand alone jump cue. Think they really are two different types of shafts to be just perfect. Lot of people just don't like carrying extra cues.
 
I'd say your almost better off having two cues, a Break cue, and Jump cue that both do thier jobs very well.

I use a Elite break cue and love it!

I also have a Elite jump cue and love it too, even more than my old Lucasi jump cue.

I had my lucasi jump cue for about 3yrs, and hated getting rid of it(sold it), but ended up buying the Elite jump cue later that nite lol.

I've gone through several cues, that I have used for breaking, they were all regular playing cues, mostly just a SNeaky Pete cue, and they seemed to do the job pretty well. But they do not even compare to the Elite break cue I am using now.
 
BVal said:
I believe in having a cue for a specific purpose. I don't wan to sacrifice performance for convenience. I don't use my jump cue that often but I use my break cue all the time. I just don't see the purpose in have a cue that does two things pretty good when I can have 2 seperate cues do one thing really well. I would be very interested to see and use one of your jump cues. I am also very interested in the price of the jump cue. PM me if you don't want to list the price or anything. Let me know if you are able to work anything out with trying out the jump cue. I would be more than happy to write up a review and even let some other local players use it and have them write a review as well. Thanks

BVal
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i agree 100% ,which i always do.:D
 
My opinion is that since "synthetic" tips have been allowed in most sanctioned tournaments and leagues, the popularity of the specialized jump cue has skyrocketed. When it comes to having a limit on the number of cues that you can bring to a match, that opens the debate on whether you would rather have the break cue or the jump cue. I have a Rat J/B that is a new design by Ryan. I can't really say much about the tip because he won't allow me to discuss it's particulars. Heck, it doesn't even have a name yet! But I tell you this, it controls the cue ball on the break, and it jumps from either the dart stroke or the std. stroke position! This cue has changed my thinking to side with the combo cue.

Chris
 
hey richard i loved the jump break cue, but when you brake it down you always have to put the butt peice somewhere and half the time im playing there is always some dumb drunk knocking it in the floor which is why i favor have two cues for the job that way one is always safe form the stupid people. Plus having a solid cue just helps my mental status i dont have to always check the joint to see if its tight
 
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