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The man has a tremendous iTrader score and has extended a great opportunity to you, a relatively new member with zero iTrader.

The opportunity he extends goes beyond just the cue. It's an extended hand to join a community built on trust, honesty, and integrity.

He gets green from me. :smile:



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Yeah, we just spoke on the phone. This is working out very well indeed, for more reasons than just scoring a beautiful cue, it turns out! :)

I doubt I'll ever have much for an iTrader score. I don't really buy or sell equipment too often, but I'll soon have an Lucasi with a couple of shafts I'd like to make someone a good deal on.
 
If you didn't buy the cue, you'd be nuts......It's a great offer and Brian is very trustworthy.The price and terms are too great to pass on.
Heck,it's a terrific deal and I'd even get this cue despite that I have two cues arriving in a couple of months......count your blessings.

Let us know how you enjoy the play of this really great cue.

Matt B.
 
Schon if you don't want low deflection. OB with an OB classic or pro shaft if you like low deflection.
 
Let us know how you enjoy the play of this really great cue.

Matt B.

Well, I'm picking it up today so I'll report back later this afternoon. In yet another coincidence (in addition to leather, tip diameter and how similar it looks to the D19 I want to replace), have I mentioned that Brian and I are practically neighbors?

But I'm sure it will be amazing. Guys who have never played some of the older McDermotts, especially if you got some really good ones like mine, have really missed out on a wonderful experience.

re: OB Classic+
Yeah, you nailed that one. It has a great feel, especially if you replace that stupid Tiger Everest tip with something else. I had an OB cue with a Classic+ for about 2 weeks or so, and I thought an Ultraskin Hard was perfect for it. I just sent the latest iteration back. Chalk it up to my bad luck. First shaft came dented. Second shaft was butchered by a local guy when he replaced the tip. Third shaft came completely out of spec (measured 12.36", or some nonsense). Shane and Seyberts were great, but I know how to take a hint so I returned it yesterday. I'm really going to miss it, so I'm not happy about that, but I couldn't take anymore. It was fun while it lasted. If I could afford to have both, I'd have both, but with twin 2 year old girls I have things like college funds to worry about these days. :) Anyhow, I'd recommend the Classic+ for anyone looking for low deflection, but who still wants a good, solid hit. Put a nice, firm hitting tip on it and enjoy.

It's almost like the Universe conspired to match us up, and sort of makes up for an otherwise bad experience.
 
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Just picked it up and played a bit. First of all, Brian's a gentleman and a great shooter. Thanks, Brian!

Unfortunately, I didn't really have a chance to give it a fair shake. I had a back spasm this morning and was having serious trouble just moving around...but I played, albeit like crap, for a couple of hours anyway. The cue hits just like my old D19. Nice and solid. The joint is very straight and square, and all of my old McDermott shafts happily swap with no problem, just like it should. I ended up playing most of the time with my old shaft. The tip on the new one is very old and kind of crumbly when I reshaped it to my preference, so it wasn't really going to play to it's potential. Pretty much that's exactly what I expected on a cue that's this old and unplayed, but I tried it out anyway. It felt nice and has a nice taper. I have no reason to believe it won't hit like all my other McD shafts when I install the new tip.

With my old shaft (my current player) the cue plays and hits very well indeed. I'm very happy. Pretty much feels just like an old McDermott should, and beyond that not much should be asked of an old McDermott.

And now for the interesting stuff!

This must have been some sort of transitional cue. The bumper is the new style bumper, and it's a different material than their current ones. This one was like rubber with a hard plastic outer material. The current bumper is much softer. They're almost exactly interchangeable, but the new one is just SLIGHTLY bigger and needs to be crammed in there, but it's a nice, tight fit! :) The little retaining lip even lines up perfectly. The old bumper was stuck in there pretty good, and eventually cracked and crumbled apart when I tried to remove it. It was obviously just dried out because it was so old, and just got a little brittle. Ha ha....no problem. I was going to replace it anyway with the new, softer one because the old one makes a "clink" noise when you put it on the floor. I probably could have gotten it out in one piece, but it would have just gone straight in the trash anyway since their production bumper is really quite nice.

The other odd thing is the weight bolt. It's neither the old style nor the new style. A 1/4" hex wrench fits the head perfectly, but there's something off about the thread. I need to look more closely at it. It looks a lot like the new style weight bolt, but I happen to have some here and they don't fit. It's not just that it won't thread in. The hole is simply too small. Maybe these are some shop made prototypes and they used some sort of proprietary thread? Who knows.

Given that it's a new style bumper and sorta new style weight bolt, which I think were introduced around 1993 or so, I'm thinking that Jim wasn't cleaning up his shop...he was maybe cleaning OUT his shop in preparation for selling the company to his sons. It looks like McDermott may have been trying out their new weight bolt/bumper setup, and this cue perhaps got prototype or pre-production hardware. :)

I'm going to have my local guy do whatever he needs to do in order for their new weight bolts to fit. The new ones look slightly larger than the old ones, and it doesn't look like the bore is threaded very far down, so it may be as simple as boring it to the correct diameter and threading it. Should be a very quick fix. I thought about keeping it original, but I like a heavier cue (just under 20oz) and this will be my new daily player so I want to get it right.

The points on the cue are beautiful. Sharp, straight...NICE. Even nicer than my D19 points. Whoever made the blanks did it right. I'd rather have no points than those stupid, rounded, CNC inlay points. These are splice style points, just like they used to be up to and including the D series.

Maybe I'll give Bill at Cornerstone a call tomorrow and see if he has anymore information. I'd like to know more about exactly what it is I have here because it's definitely unique!

Thanks again, Brian! It was a pleasure, I love the cue, and thanks for playing a bit. I hope we can do it again soon when my back is straightened out. :) As soon as I learn more about it, I'll let you know.
 
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Just picked it up and played a bit. First of all, Brian's a gentleman and a great shooter. Thanks, Brian!

Unfortunately, I didn't really have a chance to give it a fair shake. I had a back spasm this morning and was having serious trouble just moving around...but I played, albeit like crap, for a couple of hours anyway. The cue hits just like my old D19. Nice and solid. The joint is very straight and square, and all of my old McDermott shafts happily swap with no problem, just like it should. I ended up playing most of the time with my old shaft. The tip on the new one is very old and kind of crumbly when I reshaped it to my preference, so it wasn't really going to play to it's potential. Pretty much that's exactly what I expected on a cue that's this old and unplayed, but I tried it out anyway. It felt nice and has a nice taper. I have no reason to believe it won't hit like all my other McD shafts when I install the new tip.

With my old shaft (my current player) the cue plays and hits very well indeed. I'm very happy. Pretty much feels just like an old McDermott should, and beyond that not much should be asked of an old McDermott.

And now for the interesting stuff!

This must have been some sort of transitional cue. The bumper is the new style bumper, and it's a different material than their current ones. This one was like rubber with a hard plastic outer material. The current bumper is much softer. They're almost exactly interchangeable, but the new one is just SLIGHTLY bigger and needs to be crammed in there, but it's a nice, tight fit! :) The little retaining lip even lines up perfectly. The old bumper was stuck in there pretty good, and eventually cracked and crumbled apart when I tried to remove it. Ha ha....no problem. I was going to replace it anyway with the new, softer one because the old one makes a "clink" noise when you put it on the floor.

The other odd thing is the weight bolt. It's neither the old style nor the new style. A 1/4" hex wrench fits the head perfectly, but there's something off about the thread. I need to look more closely at it. It looks a lot like the new style weight bolt, but I happen to have some here and they don't fit. It's not just that it won't thread in. The hole is simply too small. Maybe these are some shop made prototypes and they used some sort of proprietary thread? Who knows.

Given that it's a new style bumper and sorta new style weight bolt, which I think were introduced around 1993 or so, I'm thinking that Jim wasn't cleaning up his shop...he was maybe cleaning OUT his shop in preparation for selling the company to his sons. It looks like McDermott may have been trying out their new weight bolt/bumper setup, and this cue perhaps got prototype or pre-production hardware. :)

I'm going to have my local guy do whatever he needs to do in order for their new weight bolts to fit. The new ones look slightly larger than the old ones, and it doesn't look like the bore is threaded very far down, so it may be as simple as boring it to the correct diameter and threading it. Should be a very quick fix. I thought about keeping it original, but I like a heavier cue (just under 20oz) and this will be my new daily player so I want to get it right.

The points on the cue are beautiful. Sharp, straight...NICE. Even nicer than my D19 points. Whoever made the blanks did it right. I'd rather have no points than those stupid, rounded, CNC inlay points. These are splice style points, just like they used to be up to and including the D series.

Maybe I'll give Bill at Cornerstone a call tomorrow and see if he has anymore information. I'd like to know more about exactly what it is I have here because it's definitely unique!

Thanks again, Brian! It was a pleasure, I love the cue, and thanks for playing a bit. I hope we can do it again soon when my back is straightened out. :) As soon as I learn more about it, I'll let you know.

John;

Likewise, it was a pleasure to meet you, too, and to be able to hit some balls with you, albeit, squeezed in between my scheduled matches.

If you do call Bill, I bet he will remember these. If you look at the sticker on the butt it says "Bill-000" along with the other info. I believe this indicates these were a special run Jim did for Bill with these few old blanks he found.

Glad you like the cue and hope your back feels better soon.

best,
brian kc
 
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And now, the rest of the story

Just got off the phone with Bill at Cornerstone. Let me just say he's another gentleman and a pleasure to talk to.

Back in 2002, Bill went to McDermott to buy some of Jim's old equipment. Turns out he didn't come away with equipment, but he found a handful of unfinished blanks laying around. I forget how many, but not a lot...maybe 20 or so. "Oh, that's just Jim's old stuff...we don't do them like that anymore", and they just sat there forgotten.

Bill asked them to finish them off for him. As rare as they all were at this point, my particular one is especially rare, with Ebony points and Mother of Pearl inlays in the butt. Some were Cocobolo points. There were a couple of other styles too that I just don't remember off the top of my head (I wasn't writing any of this down as we spoke). The story goes that one was actually stolen from the factory before being completed, making it all the more interesting.

So as I suspected, these definitely did not come off the line. Bill says they were all hand built by Jim and Larry, and they all went to Bill since he commissioned them.

So there you go. A beautiful cue, an interesting story, and what I ended up with is essentially a custom McDermott at least partially built by the old man himself.
 
I am glad you looked into it so you are aware that is a very special cue. I have wanted one since they came out actually but have never pulled the trigger when I saw one, just had other things to pursue.

This is one of the reasons I encouraged you to jump on this deal. Obviously the seller and the offer of financing are huge reasons alone. But knowing these cues and having read your enthusiasm for a "real" McDermott, I figured this was the cue for you.

Before you go boring out that cue, why not contact McDermott to see if they have the weight bolt you want? Even if it isn't their standard bolt, it is more than likely an off the shelf bolt of some kind. Even if it is a custom bolt, I would see if they have another before modifying the cue.

Definitely a special cue. Enjoy it. :thumbup:



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I am glad you looked into it so you are aware that is a very special cue. I have wanted one since they came out actually but have never pulled the trigger when I saw one, just had other things to pursue.

This is one of the reasons I encouraged you to jump on this deal. Obviously the seller and the offer of financing are huge reasons alone. But knowing these cues and having read your enthusiasm for a "real" McDermott, I figured this was the cue for you.

Before you go boring out that cue, why not contact McDermott to see if they have the weight bolt you want? Even if it isn't their standard bolt, it is more than likely an off the shelf bolt of some kind. Even if it is a custom bolt, I would see if they have another before modifying the cue.

Definitely a special cue. Enjoy it. :thumbup:



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I'm just going to send it back to them. I'm not even sure if it's threaded at all at this point. I had a look at it, and it looks like they may have stuck the weight bolt in there and just glued it in with epoxy. So there are threads, but maybe only what is left behind in the glue. That would explain why the current weight bolts don't fit. It would just be dumb luck if the minor diameter of the current bolt was precisely the same size or larger than the new weight bolts I have. Even if they're nominally the same thread, you'd have to hand pick bolts. :)

So I called McD this morning, and I'm just going to send it back to them. I've left the sticker on there until I get it back. I'm sure Larry will remember these things and will get a kick out of seeing one that is essentially brand new and untouched.
 
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