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point well taken...ironman said:
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ironman said:
From my perspective, if Dave HUGE Hughes knew she was in trouble something would of happened in his favor, he's 6'1 300lbs give or take 30.
The issue of harassment is at this point just sensationalism on top of everything else. At this point, the majority of us don't know the story, we don't know what the incident contained, or whether it was criminal or boorish behaviour. Does the police report contain anything that indicates charges were pressed or filed? Is it a complaint or accusation by Mrs. Broadurst against Mr. Andrews? Was Mr. Andrews arrested, questioned, detained? What exactly happened and what did Mr. Andrews "admit" to? These are things we don't know, well the majority of us do not know them, we only know the tidbits that those who are more in the know choose to share.
As despicable as this entire situation has become it would serve us well to remember that our justice system is predicated on the premise that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If any of us stood accused of something then we should expect the the same consideration on the chance that the accusation was proven false or not as reported.
I too hope that Mrs. Broadhurst is okay. Yes, no means no, and no one has the right to touch or otherwise invade someone's personal space without express invitation. However, until the rest of the story is made known I am reserving judgement on the severity of the incident.
This is a very sad twist on this sorry affair, let's not make it worse by condemning a person before the story is fully known and verified.
As despicable as this entire situation has become it would serve us well to remember that our justice system is predicated on the premise that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If any of us stood accused of something then we should expect the the same consideration on the chance that the accusation was proven false or not as reported.
I too hope that Mrs. Broadhurst is okay. Yes, no means no, and no one has the right to touch or otherwise invade someone's personal space without express invitation. However, until the rest of the story is made known I am reserving judgement on the severity of the incident.
This is a very sad twist on this sorry affair, let's not make it worse by condemning a person before the story is fully known and verified.
I wonder
isn't there suppose to be additional information coming out today too (Wed.)?
I wonder if the person that submitted that Wiki description of Deno, emailed his mother the definition at the Magic Foundation? Deno could have a lot of explaining to do to his Mother and his wife, Allison.
isn't there suppose to be additional information coming out today too (Wed.)?
I wonder if the person that submitted that Wiki description of Deno, emailed his mother the definition at the Magic Foundation? Deno could have a lot of explaining to do to his Mother and his wife, Allison.
Snapshot9 said:
Do you mean another ANNOUNCEMENT or is that annointment?
I'm really very curious as to whether or not a crime has been charged or not. This has gone on for a while.rukiddingme said:
If not, I will respect the victims side of it. To speculate, maybe it is more trouble than she wishes to endure.
Either way, the damage has been done.
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Roadie said:
I agree with you that we should reserve judgement and that it is the intent of the law that we are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
There are exceptions to almost everything. I don't agree that this is mere sensationalism on top of everything else. There is an admission here and a victim. My feelings for the victim in this case far outweigh my concerns for Deno and his rights as a Perp. By his own admission, he did not conduct himself professionaly. He discounted her as a professional and as a person.
As far as the severity of the incident, only one person can ever answer that.
IMHO.
ironman said:
There is no exception to the presumption of innocence. The very words victim and perpetrator indicate guilt. Why not accuser and accused? I do not know Mrs. Broadhurst. I do not know what is claimed to have transpired. I don't know what the "admission" consisted of. The only two people who truly know what happened are Mrs. Broadhurst and Mr. Andrews and their perspectives may be quite different.
Several years ago a friend was involved in a situation where he was accused of sexual assault after he hugged a woman that he had been having an angry work relationship with. They were both drunk, there were lots of people there and she took offense. The next day she called the police and attempted to press charges to the great embarassment of my friend who had to deal with explaining a situation where there was truly no real harm done to the police. Almost all of the coworkers agreed that there was no molestation and no harm. Obviously the woman felt aggrieved however so there wasn't really "no harm" at all, but not enough to involve the police and taxpayer's money for something that was not a crime and had no chance of ever being seen as one.
How many people had had their lives ruined by accusations that turned out to be false? Speaking strictly about sexual assault and harassment there are plenty of cases where the accuser lies to cause trouble for the accused. The point being that we should let the authorities prosecute this or at the very least see what the police report contains before we put a noose around Mr. Andrews' neck. Guilty or innocent, he is certainly an easy target now so let us show him and Trudeau the civil side of rational people and allow them their day in court.
No, this revelation is not mere sensationalism, it is personally damaging sensationalism that is not corroborated by anything other than claims of verbal accounts and a mysterious police report. In fact, as admirable as Mrs. Romano's efforts have been the whole piece has not really shed any new information on this situation. It is absolutely conceivable that Mr. Andrews has no real knowledge of the lease terms for the space they are in. What he told Mrs. Romano regarding the lease may have been either his knowledge based on what he had been told or his assumption. Again, a lot has been stated by the very proactive and diligent Eydie Romano but it requires further information to add up to crimes against people rather than the obvious crimes against intelligence which we can all plainly see by now.
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Roadie said:
I respect your views and your posts. It is not my intention to be argumentative.
I was close to someone who accused another of something vey inappropriate and it eventually ran her out of town. She was devastated while others kept saying that it was no big deal. It was to her.
Deno is an easy target I will agree. He should be very well aware of that. He has a high profile position and should be setting examples for the rest to follow.
I do agree with you though, we should let the authorities handle this.
justnum said:
And what would you report?
How have you been harmed? You are calling on behalf of someone else? Why aren't they calling, are they being held against their will? No. well then please have them call when they decide that they have been harmed.
At this point it seems quite certain that some members of this forum are working hard to illuminate the IPT in the quest for justice. It is probably best not to muddy the waters further by making accusations that could interfere with the deliberate measures being taken.
ironman said:
I'm gonna act as the devils advocate now! But Ironman: suppose you try to kiss someone and grab her boobbies.... ( just an example) an the act is not appreciated....! Say: you admitted it. Does that really make somebody else a victim.... and you a purp??? It might have just been that. Just tell him off....!!
No... i admit that's no good... and deno should be ashamed about it.... but we don't need to trash him if that's all...everybody makes misstakes!
If something much worse than this happened... well i will shut up... but then put the thruth here... so we all can just shut up and don't make it worse or less then it is.
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Meatball said:
No matter what has been said or done to the players/sponsors and others, it ain't over till its over. We see lots of red flags, tons of red flags but I am still waiting for the towel, when its over, it'll be over. The F** lady isn't singing in public yet, maybe she's warming up at the house with "Hang on Sloopy" for the sport all I want to say is......................."Sloopy Hang On".
What was the artists name for that song, U old timers know.