High Inside or Low Outside for Position?

Tin Man said:
The pros use the low outside much more. This isn't because it's a better shot. It's because they are playing on slick, new cloth. New cloth makes it easier to keep a sliding cue ball on the stun shot and makes it harder for the spin to grab on the rolling inside shot. Watch them switch to worn cloth and they start going high inside more often as well.
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noticing this a bit at current uk open
john morra had a ball vs billy thorpe that looked like an inside job to me
but he went outside with it, hit the eight ball he was trying to go around, and got a blind cut
he dogged the shot, billy stepped up and finished the rack

incidentally, billy came back in the match to level things at 8-8
john tried to thin the three ball safe on case rack
he hit it so thin that he seemed to genuinely wonder if he hit it at all
billy confirmed that he did, and they had a laugh about it
I had to rewind the match myself to see it..what a touch
 
One thing that hasn't been brought up its high inside makes the pocket bigger.

It doesn't matter too much on a valley, but on a diamond tables it matters a lot more.
 
Nick B said:
Well that's problem number one...get off the kiddy box.
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Have to say bar table play is a different game.
The only time I play bar box is about a month before the Expo and I play on Diamonds.
Two different games completely especially when you need to let your stroke out on 9 footers.
You never ever have to let your stoke out on a 7 foot Diamond.
Your english moves the ball on diamond bar boxes.
 
Csim said:
One thing that hasn't been brought up its high inside makes the pocket bigger.

It doesn't matter too much on a valley, but on a diamond tables it matters a lot more.
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Yes, this is one reason I failed to mention why I prefer high inside. As for the pros playing on new cloth as to why they prefer low outside, this is also an excellent point. Going multiple cushions for position on new cloth is much more challenging than keeping it as simple as possible. Most of us don’t have that luxury of always playing on new cloth.
 
I always used inside and 3 rails playing on Gold Crowns exclusively.
When I started playing on Diamonds the object ball would rattle and not drop more often.
So I switched to out side spin and less balls rattled.
Now it all depends on the situation which way to go but if there is a choice I use out side.
Maybe just a mental thing.
 
Where you Thor the CB don’t matter.

The path the CB follows after it hits the OB is what matters.

In general rolling into the area you want for CB to stop is better than rolling across it. Gives you a larger margin of error.

That’s a brief summary of how to play position

Best
Fatboy
 
Fatboy said:
Where you Thor the CB don’t matter.

The path the CB follows after it hits the OB is what matters.

In general rolling into the area you want for CB to stop is better than rolling across it. Gives you a larger margin of error.

That’s a brief summary of how to play position

Best
Fatboy
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I call the areas for position "zones" usually triangle areas.
Going at the line of object ball is always better then rolling across the line if possible.
 
measureman said:
I taught the "zone" concept to a guy that has been playing for decades and he never thought about position that way,he was always trying to be too exact.
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The triangle idea works a big % of the time. Traffic is what can mess that general idea up.

When I play 8B I look for zones to drop into and then see what OB is the best, if I have a choice. I play into spots like that when I can.

Of course as you know, play what the table gives you. But when you have choices, zones and rolling into the line not across it are the best ways to get out.

Sitting here sounding like I kinda know what I’m talking about and any good 3C player hands me my ass lol.

Too much going on in pool to explain with a few words.

But the idea of hitting the CB a certain way for shape in the OP is the wrong idea. Hitting the CB to pocket the OB is a different topic and has merit

🟧Fatboy🟧
 
As stated here, accuracy of the shot is best with inside. It is pretty much understood that follow is more accurate than draw for position. So I would consider accuracy versus position in my decision.
 
On a barbox, I generally prefer the 3 rail approach. It's more consistent, and removes the side pocket from play.

On a big table, it depends on a number of factors.
 
bradsh98 said:
On a barbox, I generally prefer the 3 rail approach. It's more consistent, and removes the side pocket from play.

On a big table, it depends on a number of factors.
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I’m not here to argue, but the geometry of the tables are exactly the same. 7’ or 9’. You might want to consider that.

At any rate glad your playing and I hope your game improves and enjoy. Pool is fun,

Best
Fatboy😃
 
Sometimes middle inside and outside get you where you want to go. Middle outside will get you to center of table without pulling it too deep while middle inside will still run it three rails at a different angle. Just depends where whitey needs to go next.
 
Fatboy said:
Where you Thor the CB don’t matter.

The path the CB follows after it hits the OB is what matters.

In general rolling into the area you want for CB to stop is better than rolling across it. Gives you a larger margin of error.

That’s a brief summary of how to play position

Best
Fatboy
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Imo, with the change to diamonds, players stopped Thor-ing the cb

Last real player I saw that could really Thor them balls was McCready.
 
tomatoshooter said:
If I'm shooting a ball near a rail, say cue ball in center of table object ball near second diamond of side rail, low inside and high outside both send the ball close to perpendicular to the rail for me but low inside seems to kill more momentum.
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With the low inside, cb goes straight across the saw and then comes back atcha like a crazy ball...

But you gotta have a stroke and a reckless sense of dgaf to pull that one out for the cheese.
 
Fatboy said:
I’m not here to argue, but the geometry of the tables are exactly the same. 7’ or 9’. You might want to consider that.

At any rate glad your playing and I hope your game improves and enjoy. Pool is fun,

Best
Fatboy😃
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Yeah the geometry is the same, but the side pocket comes into play more because it's closer than on a big table. More room to stop the ball on a 9' than a bar box. I like 3 rails on a bar box too because I don't feel like I have to baby the ball.
 
philly said:
Have to say bar table play is a different game.
The only time I play bar box is about a month before the Expo and I play on Diamonds.
Two different games completely especially when you need to let your stroke out on 9 footers.
You never ever have to let your stoke out on a 7 foot Diamond.
Your english moves the ball on diamond bar boxes.
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Good points, and when the balls are dirty, that makes even more difference.

At the average bar with a pool table you'll probably also have leveling issues, dirty cloth, funky rails, and a more extreme social dynamic, and it'll probably be Valley tables (at least in my experience). I don't know about harder or easier, but the challenges are very different.

I wonder what players would choose, if they had to make a bank shot to save their life: A nice 9 foot table with clean balls, or a crappy 7 foot table with dirty balls? I guess it would depend on the player.
 
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