High rails

dmgwalsh said:
I am going to hijack this post back again.

The person who installed the K66 on my Brunswick VIP is working on fixing the problem. He agrees that they are too high but is not convinced that K 66 is not the correct rubber.

We were exploring the option of him cutting the rails in such a manner that it would change the angle on the rubber and bringing the height down.

Another fellow said don't do that. All you need to do is take off the K66 rubber and put it back on only glue it on a little lower to the rail. It would then not be flush with the top of the rail but the height would effectively be lowered.

The third option would be to install the K55 but I don't think he is convinced that the K55 is the correct rubber.(If we went Artemis K55, that is the same as Artemis Intercontinental K66, right? The price seems about double the K66, but that is a different issue)

Let me know what you think about the three options above.

Thanks for your help.
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Option 3 is correct. Your original installer should contact Brunswick and get educated.

The Option 2 guy is obviously a jury-rigger.

Think about it for a sec -
Is it not better to install the correct cushions as opposed to modifying
the table and keeping your fingers crossed that it comes out right?
 
dmgwalsh said:
Let me know what you think about the three options above.
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I'm following closely everything RKC posts here and trying to learn smth as a "billiard technician" (I've never been one but would love to know as much about it as I could absorb).
That said, I've learnt that lowering the rubber cushion (option 2) is wrong because the cushion should be glued to the rail full in order to work properly.
And the most important, rail's width determines the type of rubber to be used, either K-66 or K-55. If yours is K-55, no way to deal with K-66.
(I hope my mentor gives me an A for that answer :grin-square: )
 
Vahmurka said:
I'm following closely everything RKC posts here and trying to learn smth as a "billiard technician" (I've never been one but would love to know as much about it as I could absorb).
That said, I've learnt that lowering the rubber cushion (option 2) is wrong because the cushion should be glued to the rail full in order to work properly.
And the most important, rail's width determines the type of rubber to be used, either K-66 or K-55. If.
(I hope my mentor gives me an A for that answer :grin-square: )
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...Without modifying the table and making it differently than it was designed to be. There's a way to do it, but why would you.
Go with the k55.:thumbup:
 
Dartman said:
Agree.
Expect to pay at least $275 for Artemis in the K55 profile (Intercontinental 66)
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Do you know where I could get Artemis K55 profile?

Thanks.
 
Vahmurka said:
I'm following closely everything RKC posts here and trying to learn smth as a "billiard technician" (I've never been one but would love to know as much about it as I could absorb).
That said, I've learnt that lowering the rubber cushion (option 2) is wrong because the cushion should be glued to the rail full in order to work properly.
And the most important, rail's width determines the type of rubber to be used, either K-66 or K-55. If yours is K-55, no way to deal with K-66.
(I hope my mentor gives me an A for that answer :grin-square: )
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Assuming a subrail has not been "modified" then measuring it will determine which cushion profile is correct. The table mfg will set the subrail to the cushion they intend to use.
 
dmgwalsh said:
Do you know where I could get Artemis K55 profile?

Thanks.
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Call Diamond at 800-874-0557. Last price I was quoted for a single set was $275
You may as well get a set of there neoprene facings and a rail cloth set while you're at it.
Muellers was significantly higher at $365.

We carry Pool 66 (K66) but not the Intercontinental 66 (K55)
 
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Dartman said:
Call Diamond at 800-874-0557. Last price I was quoted for a single set was $275
You may as well get a set of there neoprene facings and a rail cloth set while you're at it.
Muellers was significantly higher at $365.

We carry Pool 66 (K66) but not the Intercontinental 66 (K55)
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is everyone 100% certain that K55 is the correct profile for a 1965 Brunswick VIP?

I just called and they have it.
but my installer is saying that k55 will be longer and be even worse.

help.
 
dmgwalsh said:
is everyone 100% certain that K55 is the correct profile for a 1965 Brunswick VIP?
I just called and they have it.
but my installer is saying that k55 will be longer and be even worse.
help.
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The VIP was made from 1966 - 1968 with superspeed cushions.
Assuming the subrails were not modified - K55 is the ticket.
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dmgwalsh said:
I am going to hijack this post back again.
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Hey now...I did not hijack the thread...I just occupied an abandoned thread....after 30 days threads are fair game....:D :D (just messin wit ya)

I did not see a reason to start a new thread since it was basically the same topic...

For now my end result was that I did shim up the outside of the rail to drop the nose height and the table now plays much better even though its "ghetto" as far as the set up is concerned.

When I have the money I will pull the rails, stip off the rubber and break out a protracotor and note the various measurements and angles on the rails to see if they all match up.

I am hoping they all match up and it was just a crappy rubber install...worst case is I will have to do some work on them to match them up before putting on new rubber...(which could be an issue since I don't have the right equipment for any build up and/or cuts that may be needed)

However...I guarantee they will be done right this next time becuase I won't be using anyone local (unless I do it myself which is a possiblity)
 
BRKNRUN said:
Hey now...I did not hijack the thread...I just occupied an abandoned thread....after 30 days threads are fair game....:D :D (just messin wit ya)

I did not see a reason to start a new thread since it was basically the same topic...

For now my end result was that I did shim up the outside of the rail to drop the nose height and the table now plays much better even though its "ghetto" as far as the set up is concerned.

When I have the money I will pull the rails, stip off the rubber and break out a protracotor and note the various measurements and angles on the rails to see if they all match up.

I am hoping they all match up and it was just a crappy rubber install...worst case is I will have to do some work on them to match them up before putting on new rubber...(which could be an issue since I don't have the right equipment for any build up and/or cuts that may be needed)

However...I guarantee they will be done right this next time becuase I won't be using anyone local (unless I do it myself which is a possiblity)
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We got double duty out of this thread.
very productive.
:cool:
 
I agree with Dartman ,a k55 belongs on that table. They are longer and the nose of the cushion will be lower.
 
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dmgwalsh said:
is everyone 100% certain that K55 is the correct profile for a 1965 Brunswick VIP?

I just called and they have it.
but my installer is saying that k55 will be longer and be even worse.

help.
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I just ordered it. My installer is still not convinced it is the correct profile but we should know soon. It will be delivered by Friday. Thanks for the guidance guys. Maybe I'll post pics when it gets done so others will see.
 
dmgwalsh said:
Maybe I'll post pics when it gets done so others will see.
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best if you shoot the whole process of disassembling the cushions and reverse process. Zoom a cushion profile along with the ruler showing the rail's width, post pictures of cushion nose height befire and after.
... of course if it is not too troublesome for you
 
dmgwalsh said:
I just ordered it. My installer is still not convinced it is the correct profile but we should know soon. It will be delivered by Friday. Thanks for the guidance guys. Maybe I'll post pics when it gets done so others will see.
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Your installer needs to learn his job, and the tables he works on!:rolleyes: Brunswick "DON"T" use K66 cushions...period!

Glen
 
Got the rubber yesterday.

dumb question.

why did Diamond send 6 short sections instead of 2 long and 2 short?

There won't be a bump or ridge where the two pieces go together on the long rails will there?
 
dmgwalsh said:
Got the rubber yesterday.
dumb question.
why did Diamond send 6 short sections instead of 2 long and 2 short?

There won't be a bump or ridge where the two pieces go together on the long rails will there?
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Cushions for a pool table come in a set of 6 and each should be 47" or 48" long.
Each rail gets a cushion so 2 cushions don't go together. What do you mean about bump/ridge??
 
Dartman said:
Cushions for a pool table come in a set of 6 and each should be 47" or 48" long.
Each rail gets a cushion so 2 cushions don't go together. What do you mean about bump/ridge??
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Doh.:o
I'm an idiot.

Forgot about the side pockets.:o
 
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