Highest ever 14.1 runs for the cash?

[Bobby]

What are some of the highest 14.1 runs you've ever heard of pros or non-pros make while gambling?

I've seen several runs in the 100-150 ball range during a money game but the highest I've ever heard of was 361 by the late Johnny Ervolino. He told me it was in 1967 in Ohio I believe, he was playing Teddy Elias (sp?) in a 1000 point match over 3 days. They played until a player got to 300 then continued the next day until a player got 600 and then finished on day 3. He not only ran the 361 but also a 190 and safe during the match and ended up winning something like 1000 to 390. He said he never heard of anyone else running that many during a money game.

I've never heard of anything even close to this under pressure but then again those long matches seem a thing of the past. I'd like to see Alex Pagulayan and Thorsten Hohmann or Thomas Engert play a 500 or 1000 point match, I'll bet there would be some impressive runs there.

Bobby

 

[jay helfert]

What are some of the highest 14.1 runs you've ever heard of pros or non-pros make while gambling?

I've seen several runs in the 100-150 ball range during a money game but the highest I've ever heard of was 361 by the late Johnny Ervolino. He told me it was in 1967 in Ohio I believe, he was playing Teddy Elias (sp?) in a 1000 point match over 3 days. They played until a player got to 300 then continued the next day until a player got 600 and then finished on day 3. He not only ran the 361 but also a 190 and safe during the match and ended up winning something like 1000 to 390. He said he never heard of anyone else running that many during a money game.

I've never heard of anything even close to this under pressure but then again those long matches seem a thing of the past. I'd like to see Alex Pagulayan and Thorsten Hohmann or Thomas Engert play a 500 or 1000 point match, I'll bet there would be some impressive runs there.

Bobby

You spelled Teddy's name correctly. They played for 7G each. Huge bet back then. Teddy was beating everyone that came thru that neck of the woods. That is, until Johnny got there.

Teddy lived in Fostoria, Ohio. He passed away several years ago.

 

[sjm]

In 1996, Tony Robles ran 200 and out for a one-inning win in a race to 200against George "Ginky" San Souci at Corner Billiards in NYC in a money game.

Honesty, Bobby, the last 14.1 race to more than 300 for money that I can remember took place in the late 1970's.

Alex Pagulayan and John Schmidt raced to 300 at the 2004 Derby City Classic, a match played on supertough equipment and in which there were no very high runs. I wasn't there but I've heard a lot about it.

 

[Bobby]

In 1996, Tony Robles ran 200 and out for a one-inning win in a race to 200against George "Ginky" San Souci at Corner Billiards in NYC in a money game.

Honesty, Bobby, the last 14.1 race to more than 300 for money that I can remember took place in the late 1970's.

Alex Pagulayan and John Schmidt raced to 300 at the 2004 Derby City Classic, a match played on supertough equipment and in which there were no very high runs. I wasn't there but I've heard a lot about it.

I knew about Robles running the 200 and out on Ginky but didn't realize cash was on the line, I didn't think Robles gambled.

You're right SJM, no one plays long 14.1 matches anymore even with no money on the line....that is except for you! I remember you and Jeanette Lee playing at least one 500 point match at ABC, and correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you two also play a 1000 point match?

Bobby

 

[sjm]

I knew about Robles running the 200 and out on Ginky but didn't realize cash was on the line, I didn't think Robles gambled.

You're right SJM, no one plays long 14.1 matches anymore even with no money on the line....that is except for you! I remember you and Jeanette Lee playing at least one 500 point match at ABC, and correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you two also play a 1000 point match?

Bobby

Actually, JL and I probably played over a dozen races to 1,000, every one of them in a single day.

 

[macguy]

What are some of the highest 14.1 runs you've ever heard of pros or non-pros make while gambling?

I've seen several runs in the 100-150 ball range during a money game but the highest I've ever heard of was 361 by the late Johnny Ervolino. He told me it was in 1967 in Ohio I believe, he was playing Teddy Elias (sp?) in a 1000 point match over 3 days. They played until a player got to 300 then continued the next day until a player got 600 and then finished on day 3. He not only ran the 361 but also a 190 and safe during the match and ended up winning something like 1000 to 390. He said he never heard of anyone else running that many during a money game.

I've never heard of anything even close to this under pressure but then again those long matches seem a thing of the past. I'd like to see Alex Pagulayan and Thorsten Hohmann or Thomas Engert play a 500 or 1000 point match, I'll bet there would be some impressive runs there.

Bobby

I the early 70's I watched Danny DiLiberto play Miz for $5000. They played 400 points and it is interesting the first night Danny ran something like 195 to win the game. The next night Miz had a run around 205 to win the game. They didn't play a third game I think Dannys backers didn't like the game anymore. Miz makes a mention of this match in one of his books but I don't think he says who he was playing, but it was Danny D. at the Congress in Miami.

 

[Bobby]

Actually, JL and I probably played over a dozen races to 1,000, every one of them in a single day.

Wow! a dozen 1000 pointers! How long did the matches take on average? I mean in actual playing time, not counting dinner breaks.

Bobby

 

[cueball1950]

If i was ever going to hold a big championship tournament i would make the finals a 1200 point match over 3 days. First day of the finals would be a 200 point match in the afternoon (2pm) and the night match would also be a 200 point match. Day 2 would be 250 in the afternoon match, same time frame, and 250 point match in the evening. On the final day the finals would be a 1 set race to 300. at the beginning of play everyday the player that lost the last set always breaks and for the very first set they would have to lag. this would be the kind of tournament i would like to see be done.... like in the old days.......................................mike

 

[Steve Lipsky]

What are some of the highest 14.1 runs you've ever heard of pros or non-pros make while gambling?

I've seen several runs in the 100-150 ball range during a money game but the highest I've ever heard of was 361 by the late Johnny Ervolino. He told me it was in 1967 in Ohio I believe, he was playing Teddy Elias (sp?) in a 1000 point match over 3 days. They played until a player got to 300 then continued the next day until a player got 600 and then finished on day 3. He not only ran the 361 but also a 190 and safe during the match and ended up winning something like 1000 to 390. He said he never heard of anyone else running that many during a money game.

I've never heard of anything even close to this under pressure but then again those long matches seem a thing of the past. I'd like to see Alex Pagulayan and Thorsten Hohmann or Thomas Engert play a 500 or 1000 point match, I'll bet there would be some impressive runs there.

Bobby

Hey Bob... I hope you can make it out to the room at some point; would be nice to see you.

I do have a comment on your post. Most competitive players need some sort of pressure (be it a cash game or a tournament) to play their best. Without that pressure, you'll see many more misses and lapses in concentration. The latter, as you know, is death in straight pool.

I guess my point is, put two top players in one room playing a race to 1,000 for fun. Put another two top players in another room playing a race to 1,000 for $10,000. I would bet the higher runs come from the latter room, though of course there's no way to prove it.

The most competitive players don't look at pressure in a debilitating way. They use it to strengthen their focus.

Anyway, my two cents.

- Steve

 

[Bobby]

Hey Bob... I hope you can make it out to the room at some point; would be nice to see you.

I do have a comment on your post. Most competitive players need some sort of pressure (be it a cash game or a tournament) to play their best. Without that pressure, you'll see many more misses and lapses in concentration. The latter, as you know, is death in straight pool.

I guess my point is, put two top players in one room playing a race to 1,000 for fun. Put another two top players in another room playing a race to 1,000 for $10,000. I would bet the higher runs come from the latter room, though of course there's no way to prove it.

The most competitive players don't look at pressure in a debilitating way. They use it to strengthen their focus.

Anyway, my two cents.

- Steve

Hi Steve, I may just make it up to ABC this Saturday to see the qualifier for the 14.1 Championship.

I think to take your example further of having two players play for big money in a long game, you could offer a large prize for highest run. Lets say you had:

Hohmann vs Paguayan 1000 point game
Schmidt vs Engert 1000 point game
Varner vs Ortmann 1000 point game
Immonen vs Souquet 1000 point game

All these matches are going on at once with big money on the line, then add a $20,000 prize for highest run. I'd be interested to see what the 5 or so highest runs would be. If I ever win Mega-Millions I'll hold this kind of event!

Bobby

 

[macguy]

If i was ever going to hold a big championship tournament i would make the finals a 1200 point match over 3 days. First day of the finals would be a 200 point match in the afternoon (2pm) and the night match would also be a 200 point match. Day 2 would be 250 in the afternoon match, same time frame, and 250 point match in the evening. On the final day the finals would be a 1 set race to 300. at the beginning of play everyday the player that lost the last set always breaks and for the very first set they would have to lag. this would be the kind of tournament i would like to see be done.... like in the old days.......................................mike

The way the matches were played were catch up matches. They would play to a score on each day but one continuous game. If at the end of say day one they played to 200, one player may have 200 and the other player may have 75. The next block the player with 200 would need another 200 to get to 400, the player with 75 would need 325 to catch up and get to 400. They do this till the match is over. The problem is you can get a blow out with one player so far ahead like 800 to 275 that the match loses all interest to the spectators for the final day other then the possibility of the player behind making some kind of amazing comeback.

 

[sjm]

Wow! a dozen 1000 pointers! How long did the matches take on average? I mean in actual playing time, not counting dinner breaks.

Bobby

With two full breaks for meals,from 11:00 AM to midnight. Probably between 10 and 11 hours of actual play time.

Hope to see you this weekend at Amsterdam, Bobby.

 

[Williebetmore]

You're right SJM, no one plays long 14.1 matches anymore even with no money on the line....that is except for you! Bobby

B-man,
Please add me to the list of "nobodies" - I've played several matches to 1000, often for huge stakes ($5). We would start at 9 A.M., usually finishing in time for dinner at 6 P.M. or so. We didn't stop for food like the delicate SJM (of course hygiene required occasional bathroom breaks). We did eat some snacks on the fly.