The guy with the push on pull off silicone protectors will win.
He also has Velcro on his shoes (tying can be a challenge).
If we ban the push on type, I'm in.
History of Joint Protectors?
- Thread starter Biloxi Boy
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He also has Velcro on his shoes (tying can be a challenge).
If we ban the push on type, I'm in.
Bert Schregger made me a Cue in 1972, he included Screw in JP's.
Are you joking .. no of course not lol its two turns.
I will say when I’m at a tournament I don’t put them back on every time I put my cues away after a match. I’m way to lazy for that lol
billiards_watch
Well-known member
Yea...the modern pool player don't need JP because, assuming they have the best case on the market (JB), it just takes too long to put on and off. Tournaments today want to be as quick as possible. We don't need tournaments ending at 2am on a weekday.
My case has his magnetic lock. I will never go back to zipper. It also cuts down on time. Flip it up and flip it down.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
All of this talk of speed reminds me of my old girlfriend's plea, "For Gawd's sake, BB, if you can't be good, be quick."
And like Einstein will buy 7 of the same suits so they’ll not waste time thinking about making elementary decisions on how to dress each day. Let us not forget the clip on tie.
I don’t use mine cause if I lose them I’ll have to make more. That takes time. But why make them if I can buy them. BTW…Colt 45 is quicker than liquor
Don't doubt it. He wasn't very brand conscious was he? Any reason that didn't become the standard model?
It was just a protector he did for me. I think it was kind of a little fun thing just to make sure no more cracked joints for me. It helped to visit the shop and get known.
Tim definitely became brand conscious later when he went on his own. His emblem is legendary, and it often went on his joint protectors later.
Fun little thing
Hang around
Get known
Just Tim Scruggs making some random custom shit. Just some genius FENDER SKIRT JP for an ivory joint. That's all.
Just some guy rolling in with the first fender skirts ever put on a Cadillac. Just a little something Zora Arkus-Duntov threw together one day with his own hands while taking a break from playing with Corvettes.
"And I stuck a paper towel in it."
I wonder how many ivory joints might make it past a Barney Fife customs inspector with one of those fenders skirt JPs on it...might not even pause.
Just some little thing we're sitting here chatting about on the interwebs nearly 50 years later.
If that "just a protector" isn't the darndest thing I see this year then I am going to be astounded at what will be.
"His emblem is legendary, and it often went on his joint protectors later." Very subtle Professor.
billiards_watch
Well-known member
I actually do this. LOL
I buy clothes in bulk every season and I like to buy the same shirt in different colors and pants too. Same shirt and pants and I just mix and match daily.
Is your belt magnetic so it’ll adjust faster?
billiards_watch
Well-known member
No. I actually like belts.
SSDiver2112
Escott Cues
I find this question very interesting as well. The tangent discussion on usefulness and time wasted aside, how this item first came into being and why it continued and evolve to present day may be small, but it is interesting.
The oldest so far is just a cork. It may not stop a bent pin, but it will reduce the chances and definitely will protect the threads from damage. The slipcover over the ivory joint also makes practical sense. I don't think it can be denied that joint protectors give added protection to the pin and its threads as well as keeping debris out of the shaft and protecting its face. Whether a person thinks the extra protection is simply personal and does not differ from the endless debate over JB case's added protection over other cases. (go to the Case forum if you want to continue that debate)
Enough people over the years felt the joint protectors were important so they eventually became a thing. Of course, there is some accessory marketing added in. Like cues some people are happy with a plain jane and others like the extra pizazz or custom cue. Joint protectors also come in plane jane Delrin to fancy or even custom JP's matching your cue.
Time wasting is a bit of a nit as an excuse not to use them. If you want the benefit they provide, the extra few seconds mean nothing. Why waste all that time putting on a glove, you could be on the table already? I don't bother with them because they don't benefit me, but I do acknowledge the benefit they provide.
Hope someone provides more info on this Scooby Doo Mystery.
Obviously, I am on the approval side. I have always used them. First the delrin ones and now that I can make them custom, I just like the extra "look" of them with the cue.
Here are a few favs.
Made to match an Ariel Carmeli cue
Spare shafts
Made to match the cue
Custom for cue
Cue and JPs in progress
The oldest so far is just a cork. It may not stop a bent pin, but it will reduce the chances and definitely will protect the threads from damage. The slipcover over the ivory joint also makes practical sense. I don't think it can be denied that joint protectors give added protection to the pin and its threads as well as keeping debris out of the shaft and protecting its face. Whether a person thinks the extra protection is simply personal and does not differ from the endless debate over JB case's added protection over other cases. (go to the Case forum if you want to continue that debate)
Enough people over the years felt the joint protectors were important so they eventually became a thing. Of course, there is some accessory marketing added in. Like cues some people are happy with a plain jane and others like the extra pizazz or custom cue. Joint protectors also come in plane jane Delrin to fancy or even custom JP's matching your cue.
Time wasting is a bit of a nit as an excuse not to use them. If you want the benefit they provide, the extra few seconds mean nothing. Why waste all that time putting on a glove, you could be on the table already? I don't bother with them because they don't benefit me, but I do acknowledge the benefit they provide.
Hope someone provides more info on this Scooby Doo Mystery.
Obviously, I am on the approval side. I have always used them. First the delrin ones and now that I can make them custom, I just like the extra "look" of them with the cue.
Here are a few favs.
Made to match an Ariel Carmeli cue
Spare shafts
Made to match the cue
Custom for cue
Cue and JPs in progress
billiards_watch
Well-known member
It's really a waste of time but I am all for quick release style which means you don't have to completely thread a protector. Half of the pin will do.
My Mezz is ok but my other cues with the 18 threads. Geez,.
SSDiver2112
Escott Cues
Yes, I mentioned it earlier, but I do like to bore out the area for the first few threads. For the big pin cues there is a decision to be made though. Do you want to be able to screw the JPs together when not in use? The JP pin is half or less long as the cues pin. If you remove all but the last few threads of the pin side, the shaft protector will no longer reach. Another personal preference is all.
Said before I’m enjoying seeing your creative work. Those JP’s are show pieces. Protection first with artwork combined
JP’s are really for 1p players. For those that move like a snail with air brakes.
It was a different time, Doc. It would be hard to cultivate a relationship with a cue maker like I did with Tim. His personality helped, as he was genuinely nice, and liked company even when he was working. Many was a weekend when I'd drive to the shop, and if he was alone, I'd hand him stuff while he was working just to talk and pass some time. He'd let me spin and finish my own shafts on his shaft lathe as well, as I had the skill and aptitude for it.Fun little thing
Hang around
Get known
Just Tim Scruggs making some random custom shit. Just some genius FENDER SKIRT JP for an ivory joint. That's all.
Just some guy rolling in with the first fender skirts ever put on a Cadillac. Just a little something Zora Arkus-Duntov threw together one day with his own hands while taking a break from playing with Corvettes.
"And I stuck a paper towel in it."
I wonder how many ivory joints might make it past a Barney Fife customs inspector with one of those fenders skirt JPs on it...might not even pause.
Just some little thing we're sitting here chatting about on the interwebs nearly 50 years later.
If that "just a protector" isn't the darndest thing I see this year then I am going to be astounded at what will be.
"His emblem is legendary, and it often went on his joint protectors later." Very subtle Professor.
Yeah, that fender skirt over an ivory joint today going through an airport that could otherwise be confiscated is an interesting thought. Ivory was not the liability back in the day that it potentially is today. I hadn't thought about that.
Maryland has a strong history of cue making. Tim Scruggs, Bill Stroud, Dan Janes, Tony Scianella, Mike Cochran, Mike Capone, Leon Sly, and doubtless others had their start and entire careers in some cases there.
All the best,
WW, Fender Skirt Inc.