Hohmann loses to Ko because of the Cyclop balls

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lfigueroa said:
You choose to believe Aramith's claim. I choose to believe Cyclop's claim. We need an independent lab test.

And yes IL is a reputable source. So is Paul Smith ;-)

BTW, though I am not a science guy I can personally observe that the way Cyclop balls play differently than Aramiths (CIT) and the fact they they stay cleaner longer, both appear to me to be consistent with a harder ball. How do you get a harder ball? More phenolic resin.

Lou Figueroa
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Well, you are not a science guy. In fact, you don't even know much about resin and epoxy. You obviously have not mixed any.
G-10 is harder than paper, linen and canvas phenolic. More resin ? Try milled glass filler instead of paper, linen or canvas.
Wanna make it harder and more shiny ? Try aluminum dust filler.

You should really quit Lou. You are not doing Cyclop any favor.
You want more pros and shortstops going in there in Lenny's FB and put their two cents in? 5% might be a good number now. Try finding 1 out of 20 who is going to say he likes them over Centennials or Aramith. Some have very harsh words already. You wanna keep hearing them?
 
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Fast Lenny said:
I posted on Facebook and have been getting some interesting feedback from pro and higher level players. I have not seen one pro player who likes Cyclop over Aramith though. I think you would be hard pressed to find a pro player who would be choosing Cyclop over Aramith who does not have monetary gain from it.
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Three more guys.

Lou Figueroa
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Straightpool_99 said:
When a ball has been an industry standard for as long as Aramith has, I think one should have a damned good reason to switch it out.
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Making a better set of balls?

Being more responsive to customers?

Adding money to the sport?

Providing more choice to all pool players?

Lou Figueroa
 
JoeyInCali said:
Well, you are not a science guy. In fact, you don't even know much about resin and epoxy. You obviously have not mixed any.
G-10 is harder than paper, linen and canvas phenolic. More resin ? Try milled glass filler instead of paper, linen or canvas.
Wanna make it harder and more shiny ? Try aluminum dust filler.

You should really quit Lou. You are not doing Cyclop any favor.
You want more pros and shortstops going in there in Lenny's FB and put their two cents in? 5% might be a good number now. Try finding 1 out of 20 who is going to say he likes them over Centennials or Aramith. Some have very harsh words already. You wanna keep hearing them?
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Methinks aluminum dust filler might upset the Diamond optical sensor but who knows.

And BTW, I get very complimentary words from those associated with Cyclop.

And Lenny can bring it on. Maybe he can get another three of four pros biting the hand that feeds them.

Lou Figueroa
smart move guys
 
lfigueroa said:
You choose to believe Aramith's claim. I choose to believe Cyclop's claim. We need an independent lab test.

And yes IL is a reputable source. So is Paul Smith ;-)

BTW, though I am not a science guy I can personally observe that the way Cyclop balls play differently than Aramiths (CIT) and the fact they they stay cleaner longer, both appear to me to be consistent with a harder ball. How do you get a harder ball? More phenolic resin.

Lou Figueroa
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Do you have some kind of $10 cyclop sponsorship we should know about that is forcing your hand to fight this so hard?
 
Fast Lenny said:
Just find me one pro player who is not sponsored or involved with Cyclop who likes Cyclop balls. You will have a better chance of finding DB Cooper. :p
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Can't remember but a couple of years ago didn't your boy say they were the best playing balls?

Lou Figueroa
 
billiardthought said:
Do you have some kind of $10 cyclop sponsorship we should know about that is forcing your hand to fight this so hard?
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I have no official relationship with Cyclop and receive no renumeration from them.

I just like their product, what they're trying o accomplish for the sport, and know the difference between a product that is preferred and better. Just like with Diamond tables, layered tips, low deflection shafts, etc, all these guys will be loving Cyclop balls in 20 years.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
I have no official relationship with Cyclop and receive no renumeration from them.

I just like their product, what they're trying o accomplish for the sport, and know the difference between a product that is preferred and better. Just like with Diamond tables, layered tips, low deflection shafts, etc, all these guys will be loving Cyclop balls in 20 years.

Lou Figueroa
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So you're compelled by faith. That's just great.
 
lfigueroa said:
Methinks aluminum dust filler might upset the Diamond optical sensor but who knows.

And BTW, I get very complimentary words from those associated with Cyclop.

And Lenny can bring it on. Maybe he can get another three of four pros biting the hand that feeds them.

Lou Figueroa
smart move guys
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You wanted them to come out and you're pulling the, look they're biting the hands that feed them.:rolleyes:

Your moves haven't been smart.

I didn't say cyclops have aluminum dust.
I just mentioned different fillers b/c you assume harder phenolic balls mean they have more resin.
Who knows what fillers they use?
Don't care really.
 
lfigueroa said:
Making a better set of balls?
That has not been proven. If it was proven, I'd be all for it. Instead they had problems Aramith didn't.
Being more responsive to customers?
Eh? In what way, exactly? Aramith has responded to all of the emails forum members have sent them about various balls etc. Besides, their product works, so not much need for a huge complaints department.
Adding money to the sport?
Granted, they have added money. That, IMO, must be carefully weighed against the integrity of the equipment.
Providing more choice to all pool players?
Choice is good if you're playing in your basement. Then you can have balls with your local football teams emblem/colours on them ,naked ladies, huge distracting logos, seizure inducing colours or whatever you prefer. When you play tournaments you want the best and STANDARD equipment, especially when the two are identical.
Lou Figueroa
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These balls aren't better. Their claims about superior composition of the balls material have not been proven. I do not personally find them to play better, but don't take my word for it, trust the pros. It's my understanding that they are fairly cheap. That's good for people who are on a budget. I don't think that should be a major consideration in big tournaments, though.

Here is a question for you, and it's a geniune question: If Vigma added money, do you think the WPC should be played with "Vigma Topless Girls Pool balls"? I'd add a link, but I know how prudish some Americans are regarding female human skin, so you'll have to use Google or your imagination. I guess the people down in Doha wouldn't approve very much, lol.
 
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I haven't watched the whole match but I agree with Al...That ball not only drifted...It looked like it picked up speed.
 
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8ballfanatic said:
I haven't watched the whole match but I agree with Al...That ball not only drifted...It looked like it picked up speed.
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Let's just say for the sake of argument it did pick up speed, as many have noted.

That's necessarily the table then. A ball can't pick up speed just because it's imperfect. It may wobble or whatever, but physics would dictate it can't pick up speed on a level surface.

So yeah if the picking up speed is in fact correct it is caused by the table.
 
Ekojasiloop said:
Let's just say for the sake of argument it did pick up speed, as many have noted.

That's necessarily the table then. A ball can't pick up speed just because it's imperfect. It may wobble or whatever, but physics would dictate it can't pick up speed on a level surface.

So yeah if the picking up speed is in fact correct it is caused by the table.
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Yes...That's what I was inferring. It looks like the table was the cause.
 
I just got done playing with a normal set of cyclop balls and would have to say I do not prefer them, I also have a set of "skittles" at home and still prefer Aramith.
Are they bad? No
Jason
 
JoeyInCali said:
You wanted them to come out and you're pulling the, look they're biting the hands that feed them.:rolleyes:

Your moves haven't been smart.

I didn't say cyclops have aluminum dust.
I just mentioned different fillers b/c you assume harder phenolic balls mean they have more resin.
Who knows what fillers they use?
Don't care really.
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I'm not pulling anything.

I am just pointing out that some pros are not using much diplomacy, PR savvy, or plain common sense. If a company is putting up money for you to win -- and all you're doing is showing up to play -- you should have the decency to keep ill opinions about said sponsor to yourself.

Pretty stupid to wear out a sponsor that is putting money in your pocket and just asking you to use a very nice product, though you may prefer another. Personally, I hope they bar every guy on social media that says he doesn't like Cyclop.

You dan't like them and want to publicly bad mouth us, fine -- you don't get to compete for our dough. Simple.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Straightpool_99 said:

These balls aren't better. Their claims about superior composition of the balls material have not been proven. I do not personally find them to play better, but don't take my word for it, trust the pros. It's my understanding that they are fairly cheap. That's good for people who are on a budget. I don't think that should be a major consideration in big tournaments, though.

Here is a question for you, and it's a geniune question: If Vigma added money, do you think the WPC should be played with "Vigma Topless Girls Pool balls"? I'd add a link, but I know how prudish some Americans are regarding female human skin, so you'll have to use Google or your imagination. I guess the people down in Doha wouldn't approve very much, lol.
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An issue with two boxes -- 32 CBs -- that was fixed two years ago, overnight.

The pros like what they are used to. That does not disprove Cyclop are not the better product.

I have no knowledge of Vigma.

Lou Figueroa
 
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