Hohmann??

[lewdo26]

I'd also add Hohmann is still a developing player (something we agree on!). Which makes the man all the more scary.

 

[Gabber]

Thanks. I mean, that's what I thought.

Sniper and LastTwo, you answered what I was thinking. That he looks like he's on his way to be one of the head of the pack.

SJM, it's not that I disagree with you, it's just that I watched him in person a few times and I don't get that same "elite" feeling apparently. Maybe I haven't seen him in top form. And I know I keep talking about the BCA like it's a cakewalk, but it's tough to point to that event when they have the easiest equipment year after year.

When people talk about controlled, mechanical, within himself etc., he certainly is all of that, but the elite of those words IMO is Fong-Pang Chao, who won again at the Challenge of Champions. When he's in his groove, which seems to be every time I watch him live, that guy exudes eliteness. That's what I'm talking about. Maybe one day, I'll have the pleasure of seeing it in Hohmann. I just haven't yet, and I've watched him play more than I've seen Chao. That's why I'm asking if I've missed something. I think you're telling me I have.

Fred

In 9ball, a player comes to the table and the order of the balls is already pre-determined. He has to shoot at the 1/2/3 whatever and work it out from there. He does not have to think about what the first shot is.
The 9ball player who plays 8ball comes to the table and suddenly has to make a decision. He might have 3 options or more and he must choose- this can cause problems .

The straight pool player is used to this method of thinking/ approach , so it might just give him an advantage over a player who plays predominately 9ball.

What I am trying to say is that the difference , between 9ball and the other games is the thought process........, the method of play....and H is mechanical.....but then again...................what do I know.
IMO, on any given day they could win or lose from each other, Allison included. .

But then again, thats just my opinion .

Gabber....................... Thinks H might have an edge....he will need it

 

[LastTwo]

Not amused!

azbilliards=pool website...I'd think most people would know that's what I am talking about. No hard feelings, just not nice!

Are you saying you've ran 400 balls a few times on a pool table?

 

[sjm]

SJM, it's not that I disagree with you, it's just that I watched him in person a few times and I don't get that same "elite" feeling apparently. Maybe I haven't seen him in top form. And I know I keep talking about the BCA like it's a cakewalk, but it's tough to point to that event when they have the easiest equipment year after year.

It's all a matter of opinion, of course. It is often noted on this board how so few events have truly elite and internationally balanced field on the pool calendar. The three that always jump off the page in such discussions are the WPC, the US Open and the BCA Open, and Derby City usually gets a mention, too. I think that it's the quality of the field, not the equipment, that makes an event elite, so I'll always view the BCA Open as a good measuring stick for greatness.

We agree on Chao. I consider Fong Pang Chao one of the best pool players of all time. What a player!

I hope you are lucky enough to catch Hohmann in stroke one of these days. Can't blame you for basing your view of him on what you've seen.

 

[buddha162]

I would love to see a marathon ahead-set between Yang and Manalo for some serious money. Who else would pay to see that, huh?

Me!

Yang has been a bitter dissapointment to me in not getting the job done. I was a fan since he won the Japan Open at 17, but since then? Nada...

His game, when he could find it, is perfect.

-Roger

 

[Cornerman]

You also seem to think of Bustamante as an elite player, but *Bustamante* has no majors under his belt. Hohmann does.

I guess the question is, what is your standard for "elite"?

This is a good question. And it will end up being a circular thread. At any tournament today, you normally can pluck off 4-5 names that are favored to win. Alex, Francisco, and Efren always get picked. When they were healthy, Buddy and Nick. Earl will be picked in any 9-ball event, even though he has dropped a touch. Archer was always a pick in the 90's and has been showing strength of late. Chao seems to be able to win the Challenge of Champions any time he wants.

So, that's why I asked. At what point did Hohmann join this list? Don't answer... I got my answer. He's one of the best "newcomers." He's proven in Europe to be a top all-around player including multi wins in 14.1 and 8-ball. He won the World's a few years ago, and should have by now proven that it was no fluke. He bageled Archer in the finals of the BCA Open this year. Only skeptics like me for some reason aren't ready to put him in the top field yet. As I've said previously, I only base my reasoning on recent events that I've watched him play in person. I felt he was clearly out-classed.

Maybe next year, I'll be ready to give him the elite status that others have already given him.

Fred

 

[9balldiva]

Ummmmm...

Are you saying you've ran 400 balls a few times on a pool table?

Is it hard to believe someone not on the pro circuit can do it?? I was being completely sarcastic...my high run is probably somehwhere around 80-100, and that's because I was super determined to prove a man wrong when he said i couldn't pass 50!!

Don't doubt that there are many people out there who can run 400, but never got into to pro circuit.

 

[9balldiva]

This is a good question. And it will end up being a circular thread. At any tournament today, you normally can pluck off 4-5 names that are favored to win. Alex, Francisco, and Efren always get picked. When they were healthy, Buddy and Nick. Earl will be picked in any 9-ball event, even though he has dropped a touch. Archer was always a pick in the 90's and has been showing strength of late. Chao seems to be able to win the Challenge of Champions any time he wants.

So, that's why I asked. At what point did Hohmann join this list? Don't answer... I got my answer. He's one of the best "newcomers." He's proven in Europe to be a top all-around player including multi wins in 14.1 and 8-ball. He won the World's a few years ago, and should have by now proven that it was no fluke. He bageled Archer in the finals of the BCA Open this year. Only skeptics like me for some reason aren't ready to put him in the top field yet. As I've said previously, I only base my reasoning on recent events that I've watched him play in person. I felt he was clearly out-classed.

Maybe next year, I'll be ready to give him the elite status that others have already given him.

Fred

When did Archer FALL OFF!!?? He is still one of the picks for the tournaments. Man, I watche dhim play for the first time in person about 4 months ago...all I can say is WOOOW!!! His shooting was flawless, and I dn't remember him missing a ball!

 

[onepocketchump]

No doubt. But... Earl and Schmidt have 400 ball runs. Nobody is talking about Schmidt like they are Thorsten. Engert had a 400 ball run, and wasn't a threat at the US 14.1 Open.

And I know it will sound like an insult, but is the European 8-ball Championship a true test? Do they play 8-ball in Europe? (That's a serious question).

And, as Colin Colenso's post should have shown, prowess at 14.1 can be helpful, but you have to be an 8-ball player to win at 8-ball. Unless you're Efren. And Thorsten is no Efren.

It's not true that just because you're good at 14.1, that you'll be good at 8-ball. They're too different, and have different foci when it comes to running out.

Fred

Yes Fred, they play 8 ball in Europe - and at a higher level than here on average due to their league system. Remember my post from several years ago where I outlined the German league system? The German Bundesliga and the European Championships is definitely comprised of world class players.

Thorsten defnitely belongs in the elite among pool players. In Germany he regularly tortured Bustamante as a younger player in the finals of many tournaments.

John

 

[LastTwo]

Is it hard to believe someone not on the pro circuit can do it?? I was being completely sarcastic...my high run is probably somehwhere around 80-100, and that's because I was super determined to prove a man wrong when he said i couldn't pass 50!!

Don't doubt that there are many people out there who can run 400, but never got into to pro circuit.

So your straight pool high run is between 80-100 and you don't know the exact number? Me personally I would keep track just because it's a milestone to get that high. If you can run between 80-100 in straight pool you must play very strong.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Don't doubt that there are many people out there who can run 400, but never got into to pro circuit.

I'd love to buy into that.......but like they say, "if it sounds too good to be true......"

 

[titlistsucker]

Agreed.

With regard to 8-Ball, my own experience has told me you must map out your ENTIRE run-out pattern before you get started. With regard to straight pool, it is best to map out the next 5 shots+.

Yes, you're right. I think a big mistake 8-ball players make is that they only map out 3 balls like they would in 9-ball. I think the entire runout has to be mapped, and of course re-evaluated at every inning/screw up.

Fred[/QUOTE]

i was given an advice by a taiwanese coach (he coaches Yang) that in 8-ball u plan backwards from the 8 ball. In 14.1 u plain 3 balls or more forward..

just an opinion

 

[titlistsucker]

Me!

Yang has been a bitter dissapointment to me in not getting the job done. I was a fan since he won the Japan Open at 17, but since then? Nada...

His game, when he could find it, is perfect.

-Roger

From the coach that teaches Yang... he says yang doesnt practise..he spends his spare time playing golf instead...Go Figure..

Incidentally i dont seem to see any taiwanese being invited to IPT?

Bgrds
RC

 

[sjm]

Incidentally i dont seem to see any taiwanese being invited to IPT?

Do you know of any Taiwanese players that applied for membership to the IPT? I do not.

 

[X Breaker]

Fred,

If I understand correctly, Mr. Hohmann just switched to a Lucasi cue with a Universal Smart shaft shorty before the US Open. Would this fact have perhaps contributed to his performance not being as "elite" as you would like?

Richard

 

[Cornerman]

When did Archer FALL OFF!!?? !

He didn't. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that he did. That being said, I think his game was always strong in the 90's, where today, I think he's got other things that keep him preoccupied.

Fred

 

[Cornerman]

I'd love to buy into that.......but like they say, "if it sounds too good to be true......"

I've met a few people that had run over 300 balls that never played in any tour. I don't know about today, but 20 years ago, certainly possible.

Edit: I've spent a few hours on the phone with Gene Nagy, a 400+ ball runner that I don't think ever played in any kind of tour.

Fred

 

[sjm]

I've met a few people that had run over 300 balls that never played in any tour. I don't know about today, but 20 years ago, certainly possible.

Edit: I've spent a few hours on the phone with Gene Nagy, a 400+ ball runner that I don't think ever played in any kind of tour.

Fred

Gene, if my memory serves, gave up competitive pool in 1974. Before that, I seem to remember, he played numerous pro events.

 

[lewdo26]

...my high run is probably somehwhere around 80-100, and that's because I was super determined to prove a man wrong when he said i couldn't pass 50!!

Don't doubt that there are many people out there who can run 400, but never got into to pro circuit.

This is such bullshit.

 

[sniper]

Me!

Yang has been a bitter dissapointment to me in not getting the job done. I was a fan since he won the Japan Open at 17, but since then? Nada...

His game, when he could find it, is perfect.

-Roger

I couldn't agree more, as a teenager Yang showed the promise and skill to potentially dominate this game one day but never seemed to reach his full potential. Between his break and superb shotmaking ability the sky was and still is the limit for this still very young player.