That actually is the toughest part when first starting out. The more you do it the quicker you can differentiate. That's also why I was told to do it gradually and it does help to see it.
Houle' Shish Kebob, Visual Version
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That actually is the toughest part when first starting out. The more you do it the quicker you can differentiate. That's also why I was told to do it gradually and it does help to see it.
Not sure what the red means. Can you be more specific? For a given amount of pivot you will achieve one particular shot angle. This will pocket balls of similar shot angle, but only up to the slop in the pocket. There are holes in this system just like in Poolology where if a shot doesn't fall exactly on a known ball fraction, then you just adjust a smidge based on experience. This is what Stan's system has overcome, where he can pocket balls at various ball angles to the pocket with the same visual designation, correct?
Rather than you coming up with your guesswork and assumptions, go on your table and put up some cut shots similar to the ones Stan had in the video. Follow the instructions. Remember, you do have a table in the house.
See what you get out of it and report back. I already have a feeling it's going to be a bust for you so on second thought, forget going on the table. Even if it works for more than one cut angle, and it DOES, and if you make every single ball you'll claim otherwise.
It's not for you. Forget I posted what I did. I don't want you to get pulled back into something you don't want to be in. I know how you try avoiding these kinds of posts and do your best to distance yourself from anything Hal and Stan created. But somehow it latches onto you like one of the strongest electromagnets in the world and you have no power to overcome it.
Wait for Stan's video #2 on Shiskebob and his book.
If anybody wants to PM me with questions after working with it and has problems that's fine. But I'll be God**mned if I'm going to get into another p*ssing match with you over the same crap you've been whining about forever because it's not sinking into your brain and visuals. Or you're too obstinate to admit it's working for you.
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There are no holes in the poolology system.
The book describing the system uses 1/4s and 1/8s because that's about the granularity that humans can easily go to when staring at the OB. The system itself though, has no such limitation and can easily adapt to as granular a level of aiming as you would like.
Want to aim at 1/64th of the OB? No problem. Just calculate it out and find that aim point. You can aim at 13/64ths of the OB if it tickles your fancy. Or even 27/128ths if the shot is between 13/64ths and 14/64ths!
The reason that BC21 used 1/4 and 1/8 fractions to exemplify the system is because that is the granularity needed to make most shots on most tables. And also is a good place for beginners to start and get a feel for it.
The system is more accurate than our eyes can discern.
I've been having good success with just figuring out the contact point and then choosing the aim point closest to that. My system that I have been developing uses the contact point as the aim point and then pivots so this was relatively easy for me to see.
When I first read Koop's description I didn't really get that there was a cue tip offset variation from center CB so I was just lining everything up as a full tip of inside and then turning my head (nose inside center CB) until I saw the line and then pivoting to the line.
You don't have to get your panties in a bunch. Just put me on ignore and life will be good.
My interest was piqued by your post because you seemed to be saying that the Bob system allowed for multiple angles from the same set up, just the way Pro 1 is able to do. The Bob system as described by Koop is very straight forward. Aim with a little offset and pivot to center ball. The greater the angle, the greater the pivot. With a rudimentary system like this, surely you aren't suggesting that I can pocket both a 15 degree cut and a 19 degree cut, both with the exact same bridge length and the exact same amount of tip pivoting to ccb, are you? I'm not disputing that Stan's system can do that (I know, wait for the book), but I'd be surprised if Stan is saying that the Bob system CAN achieve the same thing that his Pro 1 can do. I know, I know, wait for Part 2 of the video.
Dave, I'm sorry if you seem to think you are the moderator here, blathering on about who can post an opinion or a question here and who can't. Oh, and God forbid if it is a question you don't care for.
Have you ever considered just ignoring posts you don't like? I've been ignoring yours for a very long time. That doesn't mean I agree or disagree with what you are saying.
Just take it down a notch and this will be a more pleasant forum for everyone.
Agreed. "Holes" is not the best word. It implies that the system doesn't work under various situations, which was not my intent. With Poolology, if you have a shot that is a hair thinner than a 1/4 ball hit, then you can just aim "a smidge" thinner and the ball will go. You have to interpolate between the major divisions, which is easy enough to do if you are capable of aiming at the major divisions accurately.
Similarly, it appears to me that the Bob system requires the same thing. It works for certain angles and you estimate between those angles with slightly bigger or smaller tip offsets. If I am wrong, and it does the same thing as Pro 1, a system Stan worked 10 years to perfect, I'll be gobsmacked as our friend Straightpool99 might say. :thumbup:
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Just to let you know how well this system does work. I just started playing again after almost a year layoff. The first guy I had to play, 8-ball, is a 7/9 in the APA who plays all the time. He beat me but it did go hill-hill and I employed Shish Kebob several times in the match for very thin cuts. If I hadn't come out of the gate so slow I might have nipped him.
Next match was 10 ball and that was a decisive win for the Koopster
I was rusty as hell and still gave this guy everything he could handle while using this system many, many times throughout the match.
Seriously can't wait for the CTE book to come out.
Koop - bought the guy a beer after the match
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Are you acting as the moderator or the King of the aiming forum? As long as you're in here it's always going to be amped up.
When you and Lou stay completely out of the aiming forum, where you both have no interest in any aiming system for your own games, this will be a fantastic forum for everyone. You two are the scourge of the aiming forum and have been for years.
I'm sick of you and I think the bulk of posters on here also are. Since you claim not to use any type of aiming system and never will, what is your purpose here?
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Can you believe this guy, Stan? (that oughta turn his brain inside out and put him on tilt again) ROTFLMAO
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I responded to the right person, you. But I called you Stan to make HIM think Stan is you and you are Stan to set him off on another wild goose chase and claim. LMAO.
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If you're looking for the gems of knowledge both should bring to the 14.1 forum since it's their primary or secondary game played, you'll be looking long and hard.
They both post very little there and far, far, more here in the aiming forum.
It's like atheists or agnostics spending a lot of time posting heavily in religion forums. Why? What purpose does it serve?
I haven't but I am not surprised it works well there too. Last night, my second league night back in a year, I consciously employed this system for both 8 and 10 ball matches. Won both matches with 2 8 ball break and runs and one 10 ball break and run. I am FAR from a great player but this stuff is no joke and absolutely does work.
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I said:
You non-replied:
So I'll take this to mean that, yes, Shishkebob is able to pocket balls into different directions with the exact same set up just like Pro 1 can do. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks.
You non-replied:
So I'll take this to mean that, yes, Shishkebob is able to pocket balls into different directions with the exact same set up just like Pro 1 can do. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks.
Sounds like quite a guy. This coming from someone who routinely trashes the low life degenerates who hang out in pool halls. How ironic.
Glad you're satisfied. You're welcome.
I thought you were ignoring me, not by the ignore function but just by ignoring. Looks like you aren't ignoring.
I though you weren't making any posts to me. You are posting and it is to me.
You just posted - AGAIN.
I still can't figure why a 100% non-aiming system user lives in an aiming forum posting about systems he has no idea about or plans for usage.
Have you ever considered professional psychological help? Are you currently in therapy? If not, plan on it.
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