how are ya'll doing in league ?

To date I have only played on APA league night once weekly. A teammate convinced me to try a local BCA 8-ball double-elimination tournament yesterday. As an APA SL4, I would have been happy to win one rack. All matches were no handicap races to 3.

Drew a newly-promoted-to-APA-SL7 first match. Won the first rack! Went hill-hill! Lost, but I achieved my goal. :)

In the loser's bracket I drew a fairly weak player. I'd estimate him as an SL3. Won 3-0. Then drew a young girl I'd estimate to be an SL4. Won 3-0. Feeling pretty good about myself. :)

Then drew a strong SL7. I'd been fighting miscues with a recent switch to a Kamui Medium, which plays HARD!!! and does not hold chalk well. In the final match, I miscued four times, three of those resulting in BIH. I also hit a shot where the damned tip flew off (mind you, this was the REPLACEMENT Kamui tip because the first one installed also had come off during a shot). Needless to say, I don't think I'll be returning to that pool tech, and not really liking the Kamui Medium, I won't be trying Kamui tips again.

Shooting the rest of the match with a house cue, I lost 3-1 (no excuses, I was outplayed), and was eliminated but I made it through at least a few rounds. It was good obtaining tournament experience. I stayed nice and loose the whole afternoon, and I think that had a great deal to do with how I played. Happy with my performance!

The people playing were awesome, very friendly. I called a foul on myself on an angled draw double-hit (CB bounced sideways off the rail and I didn't get my stick out of the way quickly enough). In the second rack against the young girl, I made an EXCELLENT cut shot up-and-down table to set up a nearly straight shot on the 8, and lined up for it. She said "Um, you still have the 1 ball." Yup, there in a cluster of stripes was my darned 1-ball, which I never even saw. So much for setting up great for the 8. In the last match, when my tip came off, my opponent offered me his CF stick to shoot with.

Great group to play with and against. Well-spent $15 for an afternoon of pool.
 
Two week story in one. A week ago on Saturday night my buddy and I played 117 games of 9B for fun. The next day in league I lost badly. I think I lost all 3 sets. Nothing was going right at all. This past week I've been pushing it several nights 8+hours to try to get back into stroke. I now know why I played badly. Got some kind of sciatic back crap going on. Can't get a decent stance. It feels like I'm standing in a hole that has a fire burning in it. Well, yesterday I won 2/3 of my sets and out team won. Doing better, but literally every shot I had to figure a way to stand to not feel burning shooting pains and weakness. I shot standing on one foot twice. Anyway, I played good but now I'm resting and taking it super easy this week. I gotta get this thing gone and AFAIK resting and stretches are about the only fix. I really hate not practicing/playing but I'm just going to take the week off and play on Sunday. I might do a couple drills for 15 min or so a couple times this week, but rest is what I need now.
 
Two week story in one. A week ago on Saturday night my buddy and I played 117 games of 9B for fun. The next day in league I lost badly. I think I lost all 3 sets. Nothing was going right at all. This past week I've been pushing it several nights 8+hours to try to get back into stroke. I now know why I played badly. Got some kind of sciatic back crap going on. Can't get a decent stance. It feels like I'm standing in a hole that has a fire burning in it. Well, yesterday I won 2/3 of my sets and out team won. Doing better, but literally every shot I had to figure a way to stand to not feel burning shooting pains and weakness. I shot standing on one foot twice. Anyway, I played good but now I'm resting and taking it super easy this week. I gotta get this thing gone and AFAIK resting and stretches are about the only fix. I really hate not practicing/playing but I'm just going to take the week off and play on Sunday. I might do a couple drills for 15 min or so a couple times this week, but rest is what I need now.
Best of luck. Sometimes a break can reset your game. It happens with me. I’ll start diverging from what works for me, slowly, insidiously things change (foot position, elbow position, etc.), next thing I know I can’t make a shot. A short break away from the table breaks the bad habits creeping in. YMMV
 
I dropped to a 6 in the TAP league, after playing my son. Games went like this, I broke dry, he ran out, he breaks, ran out, he breaks, I make a few then miss, he runs out, breaks and runs out again, I miss next rack, he runs out. Lost 5-0 and I missed maybe 3 shots :) At least next time we play he'll have to spot me a game. Week after I played someone and they are upset I'm a 6, but was a good thing for me since I still had to spot him a game and it went hill hill even then. At least I can be proud of my reputation that people complain when I play as a 6 LOL
 
Finally found a 600 tonight and I choked. My win from last week in 8 wasn’t put in yet so I was still a 3. Won the 8 ball match 2-1. Then played 9 and got toasted. That 600 broke and ran first one. Then my next 2-3 shots I wasn’t just safetied. He legitimately put me in prison. He played 1-2 more safes. By then it was 30-0. I broke dry with the 1 ball hanging in a pocket one game and missed 2 shots I shouldn’t have. That was all she wrote. Finally a real game!. lost 55-14 in 9 innings. That guy has to be a 9. But on a better note told him I’d give him the 8 race to five after for $50 and he wouldn’t play me…maybe did me a favor after the drinks…next week I’m staying sober.

If a 9 wont play a 3, you are either wayyyy underrated and he saw how you played or he just does not play for money. I'd play anyone that's a "real" 3 and spot them 3 games to 5 for money and feel it's an even match and I may not be rated a 9 in APA 9 ball but an 8, or at least flop between the two. An APA 3 would average maybe 2 balls in 9 ball a rack, 3 if they were shooting good on an easy layout and would have almost 0 idea of how to kick at balls.

If a guy approached me looking to play even that was low rated, I'd report him to the league operator as a sandbagger or point him to the nearest mental hospital LOL
 
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If a 9 wont play a 3, you are either wayyyy underrated and he saw how you played or he just does not play for money. I'd play anyone that's a "real" 3 and spot them 3 games to 5 for money and feel it's an even match and I may not be rated a 9 in APA 9 ball but an 8, or at least flop between the two. An APA 3 would average maybe 2 balls in 9 ball a rack, 3 if they were shooting good on an easy layout and would have almost 0 idea of how to kick at balls.

If a guy approached me looking to play even that was low rated, I'd report him to the league operator as a sandbagger or point him to the nearest mental hospital LOL
A little explanation. I’m an SL6 in 9 ball. SL3 in 8 after 2 matches and some bad rolls. If you read my post 2 weeks ago I broke the 8 and scratched hill/hill or I’d probably be higher because that dropped me from a 4 to a 3. Plus last weeks didn’t get put in. Now I’m 2-2 and should be a 5 in 8. It was only my second 9 ball match ever. Won the first match I played a couple weeks ago. This guy was rated a 7. So it was a 55-46 race. Now I’m 1-1
 
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Two week story in one. A week ago on Saturday night my buddy and I played 117 games of 9B for fun. The next day in league I lost badly. I think I lost all 3 sets. Nothing was going right at all. This past week I've been pushing it several nights 8+hours to try to get back into stroke. I now know why I played badly. Got some kind of sciatic back crap going on. Can't get a decent stance. It feels like I'm standing in a hole that has a fire burning in it. Well, yesterday I won 2/3 of my sets and out team won. Doing better, but literally every shot I had to figure a way to stand to not feel burning shooting pains and weakness. I shot standing on one foot twice. Anyway, I played good but now I'm resting and taking it super easy this week. I gotta get this thing gone and AFAIK resting and stretches are about the only fix. I really hate not practicing/playing but I'm just going to take the week off and play on Sunday. I might do a couple drills for 15 min or so a couple times this week, but rest is what I need now.

Do they have Valley league in your town?

This weekend is the Valley State tourney in Waterloo. It's my 39th time going to it, I believe. Plan on getting there next year with a team. Or you can use Valley to get to the ISPA tourney in Des Moines in April every year. You're missing a bet not being there, imho.


Jeff Livingston
 
A little explanation. I’m an SL6 in 9 ball. SL3 in 8 after 2 matches and some bad rolls. If you read my post 2 weeks ago I broke the 8 and scratched hill/hill or I’d probably be higher because that dropped me from a 4 to a 3. Plus last weeks didn’t get put in. Now I’m 2-2 and should be a 5 in 8. It was only my second 9 ball match ever. Won the first match I played a couple weeks ago. This guy was rated a 7. So it was a 55-46 race. Now I’m 1-1

That's a bit odd too such a large difference in ratings being allowed, leagues need to have a link between the games for skill to keep within one level of the other. If someone is already ranked higher in 9 ball no way should the 8 ball skill be started at the beginning levels, that's like giving someone free games for a few weeks. Too much bouncing around in skill levels in leagues. I think once someone is at a particular skill level for say 4 weeks in a row they should be locked to that skill level as a minimum.
 
That's a bit odd too such a large difference in ratings being allowed, leagues need to have a link between the games for skill to keep within one level of the other. If someone is already ranked higher in 9 ball no way should the 8 ball skill be started at the beginning levels, that's like giving someone free games for a few weeks. Too much bouncing around in skill levels in leagues. I think once someone is at a particular skill level for say 4 weeks in a row they should be locked to that skill level as a minimum.
Well here’s the problem I’m having with league. Let’s go with a fargorate perspective. I’m not a league guy. There for my fiancé to be able to play other people and get better. I’ve spent a lot of time playing with friends. Friends that range from 300-mid 500’s. Not one of my friends has hit a 600 fargorate level. So I never play over about a 575 level with them. That’s easy enough. I just don’t safety as much and not super worried about shape. I just play and have fun. I’m actually around a 640. League is supposed to be for fun. That’s how I play. So when I play a 3 in league I don’t even try or will intentionally miss to at least get them one or two shots in a game. Not because I sandbag. I’m just trying to be nice. I know they can’t win in those 1-2. If they do. Good for them. That means they are playing good. But then I get someone who can play and I’ll automatically jump up 100 balls. I’m not trying to sandbag. League is supposed to be for fun. All I care about is winning. Doesn’t matter how I get there. Plus after all the dues I’ve paid, I’m a firm believer that you have to pay for the shots. I’m not handing them out free.
 
And the fact a lot of times I drink a bit too much by the time I play so the stroke might really be bad when I get to the table on certain days……
 
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Well here’s the problem I’m having with league. Let’s go with a fargorate perspective. I’m not a league guy. There for my fiancé to be able to play other people and get better. I’ve spent a lot of time playing with friends. Friends that range from 300-mid 500’s. Not one of my friends has hit a 600 fargorate level. So I never play over about a 575 level with them. That’s easy enough. I just don’t safety as much and not super worried about shape. I just play and have fun. I’m actually around a 640. League is supposed to be for fun. That’s how I play. So when I play a 3 in league I don’t even try or will intentionally miss to at least get them one or two shots in a game. Not because I sandbag. I’m just trying to be nice. I know they can’t win in those 1-2. If they do. Good for them. That means they are playing good. But then I get someone who can play and I’ll automatically jump up 100 balls. I’m not trying to sandbag. League is supposed to be for fun. All I care about is winning. Doesn’t matter how I get there. Plus after all the dues I’ve paid, I’m a firm believer that you have to pay for the shots. I’m not handing them out free.

If you are 640 Fargo, that is a solid A player, you should be easily at the max level in any league. An A player being a 6 in APA and a 3 or 4 in 8 ball is pretty much cheating, and by a huge margin. Fun is fun, but it's still a match players and teams try to win, that is more serious to many players and teams, and staying 3 levels bellow a real skill, there is no real way to describe it aside from cheating. Good intentions or not, you need to have good data fed into the ranking system for it to work. There are times to be nice when playing after or before league. I am about a 550, so you would be a full level ahead of me, yet if I played you in a match you would be ranked as a C player or a B player, and I would need to spot you games. Not very fair for anyone, assuming you are actually a 640.

Not to mention any tournaments that use APA ratings, you go into a place as an A player and say "well I'm a 4 in 8 ball" that is robbing to say the least.
 
If you are 640 Fargo, that is a solid A player, you should be easily at the max level in any league. An A player being a 6 in APA and a 3 or 4 in 8 ball is pretty much cheating, and by a huge margin. Fun is fun, but it's still a match players and teams try to win, that is more serious to many players and teams, and staying 3 levels bellow a real skill, there is no real way to describe it aside from cheating. Good intentions or not, you need to have good data fed into the ranking system for it to work. There are times to be nice when playing after or before league. I am about a 550, so you would be a full level ahead of me, yet if I played you in a match you would be ranked as a C player or a B player, and I would need to spot you games. Not very fair for anyone, assuming you are actually a 640.

Not to mention any tournaments that use APA ratings, you go into a place as an A player and say "well I'm a 4 in 8 ball" that is robbing to say the least.
Well I told them when I started I was at least an SL 6/7. Bare minimum. I even let them know my level was near a 7/9 that I know that plays on a different day. They started me at a 5. That was a joke to me. I’m honestly not cocky or arrogant. It does sound bad how it’s coming out, but When I tell somebody I’m at least an SL 6/7 8 and 9 that’s what I am. So I didn’t try very hard week 1. I was nervous and felt insulted they made me a 5 to start. lost week 1 8 ball. It took a couple games to settle in. I didn’t know the APA rules. I didn’t know anyone in the league except my fiancé. Safetied myself one time because of slop rule. Week 2 again the stupid slop rule. the guy I played got a lucky slop shot in and only had an easy ball and easy 8 left. On hill/hill I broke the 8 and scratched. 0-2. Past 2 won my matches. 2-2 now. Should’ve been 3-1. 9 ball after Losing first week in 8 they started me as a 4. I won and went up to a 6. Lost to the guy who was playing “lights out” as a 7. I haven’t been cheating. Luck of the rolls put me in a bad spot though. So I took next weekend off.
 
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Well I told them when I started I was at least an SL 6/7. Bare minimum. I even let them know my level was near a 7/9 that I know that plays on a different day. They started me at a 5. That was a joke to me. I’m honestly not cocky or arrogant. It does sound bad how it’s coming out, but When I tell somebody I’m at least an SL 6/7 8 and 9 that’s what I am. So I didn’t try very hard week 1. I was nervous and felt insulted they made me a 5 to start. lost week 1 8 ball. It took a couple games to settle in. I didn’t know the APA rules. I didn’t know anyone in the league except my fiancé. Safetied myself one time because of slop rule. Week 2 again the stupid slop rule. the guy I played got a lucky slop shot in and only had an easy ball and easy 8 left. On hill/hill I broke the 8 and scratched. 0-2. Past 2 won my matches. 2-2 now. Should’ve been 3-1. 9 ball after Losing first week in 8 they started me as a 4. I won and went up to a 6. Lost to the guy who was playing “lights out” as a 7. I haven’t been cheating. Luck of the rolls put me in a bad spot though. So I took next weekend off.

No idea why they would ignore a player actually telling them to start them higher LOL this type of stuff is why APA has such a bad reputation among actual players. Everyone has stories about silliness happening that just don't make sense. It's great fun for casual league players since they just don't know any world of pool outside of the APA but to anyone that is a "player" half the things that go on are just ludicrous sounding. It's always funny to me when people see me make a few balls in a row almost always I get asked "you must play in APA league" as if that is the guide by which good players are judged. Julie, come see this guy play, HE'S IN THE APA! I even had people not believe me when I told them I don't play in APA LOL
 
Do they have Valley league in your town?

This weekend is the Valley State tourney in Waterloo. It's my 39th time going to it, I believe. Plan on getting there next year with a team. Or you can use Valley to get to the ISPA tourney in Des Moines in April every year. You're missing a bet not being there, imho.


Jeff Livingston
There's an ACS league that goes on here. It's all bar tables as far as the eye can see, but it's pretty fun and good people. I find my sanctuary on the 8.5' in the basement. There's actually several unsanctioned leagues here too but it's kind of the play one game, wait an hour, play one game, etc.

I'm actually not going to make it to the ACS (it might be the ISPA one, I'm not sure if the sanctioning goes cross brands) tourney in Des Moines coming up, just couldn't swing the money and time off. It sucks to pay for several nights of hotels where the payout is only a couple hundred bucks, that and the fact that I'm just dead money anyway lol.
 
It's going to be below 0 degrees up there this Saturday anyway, so a good year to avoid the place.

If we win the team, I'm buying a full tank of gas.


Jeff Livingston
 
Won a pretty dramatic back and forth hill-hill match in 8 ball tonight. Then immediately got put up in 9 ball against a 3. I was still buzzing from the 8 ball match and quickly found myself in a big hole.

That’s what’s so tough about APA 9 ball. A missed shot here, a scratch there, and then hooking yourself on the break are brutal. Especially against lower skill levels.

The guy got to around 15 points by the third rack and I just went into give up mode. It was simply too big of a hill to climb, as I was maybe at 8 or 9 at that point and needed 55. Not to mention he was kicking, banking, and comboing everything in sight.

I fall into that trap against lower SLs all the time. I underestimate them, play too loose, and go from panic mode to give up mode. Which, to be fair, only takes them having a few good runs when they are going to 25 or whatever.
 
Won a pretty dramatic back and forth hill-hill match in 8 ball tonight. Then immediately got put up in 9 ball against a 3. I was still buzzing from the 8 ball match and quickly found myself in a big hole.

That’s what’s so tough about APA 9 ball. A missed shot here, a scratch there, and then hooking yourself on the break are brutal. Especially against lower skill levels.

The guy got to around 15 points by the third rack and I just went into give up mode. It was simply too big of a hill to climb, as I was maybe at 8 or 9 at that point and needed 55. Not to mention he was kicking, banking, and comboing everything in sight.

I fall into that trap against lower SLs all the time. I underestimate them, play too loose, and go from panic mode to give up mode. Which, to be fair, only takes them having a few good runs when they are going to 25 or whatever.
The handicap system makes you have to play hard even against a low player. Treat everyone as you would a 9 even if you get jeers from the opposing team for putting a killer safety on a 2. Banging balls against a 2 can bite you.
 
The handicap system makes you have to play hard even against a low player. Treat everyone as you would a 9 even if you get jeers from the opposing team for putting a killer safety on a 2. Banging balls against a 2 can bite you.
Yes, it's a lesson I'm slowly learning. Some nights I will absolutely obliterate the lower SLs and it won't even be close, but if things aren't clicking for me and they are for them, it can be ugly in the other direction.

I think another part of the issue was that my 8 ball match was exhausting against another strong 6. We were swapping run outs off each other's mistakes and playing lockup safeties. After going hill-hill I was a bit worn out mentally, and I felt a little relieved that I was "only" playing an SL 3, but he came ready and I didn't. Scoresheet reflected that.
 
Played last night 9-ball straight up 9-ball APA SL5/5, 38-38 race. I was not shooting very well, got down 16-27. Walked over to an unused table and just got up and down on imaginary shots. Figured out something I was doing with my stance. Went back to my next inning and started making shots, won 38-33. (Some quick math: That means I shot 22-6. Not too bad!)

Then played 8-ball, SL4/6, 3-5 race. Got to the hill with the score 2-3. Sixth rack I left myself a four-foot 10-degree shot on the 8 - and missed it. Argh! Lost the match 2-5. Oh, well, doodoo occurs.
 
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