How did you learn 14.1?

Nice post. You may be on to something with the initials thing. Perhaps Jerry Seinfeld should try his hand at straight pool.
I saw Jerry Seinfeld spectating several professional 14.1 tourneys in NYC. I'm sure you likely did as well. It's certain that characteristically (as a top stand-up comedian) 14.1's requirement of instantly dealing with changing situations (as with his own hecklers, and creating reactive gags for his comedy writing) greatly appealed to him.

Arnaldo ~ Annoying and aging amateur psychologist
 
Equal Offense is a good drill both to learn and to test your progress. It is similar to just doing runs as in the high run challenge attempts with a few differences. The full rules are in the BCA Rule Book and copied to some websites. Here is a link to an online version in Google Books. That link also has the rules for Internet Equal Offense which was an international competition around 1999.

Briefly: 15-ball rack, free smash break, spot up any ball broken in, cue ball then starts behind the line, play 14.1 but stop at 20 and start your next inning, do in sets of 10 so a max score is 200.

An average of 6 (60 in 10 innings) is very good for a beginner. You can modify the rules to allow 1 or 2 or 3 extra ball-in-hands after misses so you aren't racking so often.
 
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I've been trying 14.1 for the past two days and not doing very well. ...
If you really are a beginner, maybe you need to work on some fundamental tools. How are your draw shots? If you bring the cue ball off two cushions with outside english, do you know pretty close what path it will take? I like Rempe's brainwash drill mentioned earlier but it takes a lot of tools in place to be successful at it.

Watch good players. One of the best runs to watch to see how things are done is Mike Sigel's 150-and-out run against Zuglan:


If you see good players running out by using a lot of amazing shots that you are not yet able to do, watch someone else who does it more simply.

And you might look around the 14.1 forum here for previous helpful discussions: https://forums.azbilliards.com/forums/14-1-pool.61/
 
I feel that Jayson and Schmidt have that approach as well, and have variously said that they find that approach to break shots has become their preferred way.

The unique thing that both Jayson and John share is their total confidence with deliberately setting up the most acute imaginable, back-cut break ball angles on their break shots. More acute than any of the top high-runners.

There's a self-evidently instructive principle in becoming very comfortable with those alarmingly acute angles. Needless to say their make-miss percentage on them is off-the-charts positive..

Arnaldo ~ Mosconi himself routinely and daringly set up for his break ball exactly as JS & JS do in modern times. Few of Willie's competitors were as daring and flawlessly accurate with those uncommonly acute breaking angles. It just occurred to me that aspiring high-runners could have a leg up by going down to city hall and for $25 bucks get their name legally changed to a first and last combo that conferred on them the initials JS.
-- Couldn't hoit to try that. :)
I feel that Jayson and Schmidt have that approach as well, and have variously said that they find that approach to break shots has become their preferred way.

The unique thing that both Jayson and John share is their total confidence with deliberately setting up the most acute imaginable, back-cut break ball angles on their break shots. More acute than any of the top high-runners.

yes, both of them tend to break further to the rail than hohmann, who instead breaks with more power, drawing the cue ball to the kitchen and back. to me that is extremely careless, having the cue ball travel 10+ ft at warp speed every 15th ball. there are 4 pockets to scratch in when doing that.

i like hohmann, and he's without a doubt a straight pool grandmaster, but as mentioned he's not a player to be emulated by anyone wanting to learn straight pool.
 
I always rerack after a miss. Shoot the same classic break shot to start. Repetition is key to be able to confidently shoot it again on the second rack. Try and leave a break ball similar to your first and a key ball by the same side pocket. You’ll get really good at that break shot. Gradually you’ll hit it harder w better spreads. I found a level cue breaks best. Keep running that first rack because that all any of them are is just one rack. Always know where that cue ball is going kinda like one pocket. This game is all about position.
Concentrate on every shot the same. You will miss the easiest shots in the world in this game.lol.



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If you really are a beginner, maybe you need to work on some fundamental tools. How are your draw shots? If you bring the cue ball off two cushions with outside english, do you know pretty close what path it will take? I like Rempe's brainwash drill mentioned earlier but it takes a lot of tools in place to be successful at it.

Watch good players. One of the best runs to watch to see how things are done is Mike Sigel's 150-and-out run against Zuglan:


If you see good players running out by using a lot of amazing shots that you are not yet able to do, watch someone else who does it more simply.

And you might look around the 14.1 forum here for previous helpful discussions: https://forums.azbilliards.com/forums/14-1-pool.61/
That was just textbook beautiful.
 
you are not alone. ive been trying on and off for almost a year and still havent got out of the first rack. It always feels like its going to be easy but sure enough i take a shot for granted or miss a hanger.

fourteenone really shows you the flaws in your game. pay attention to them!
You’ll get there.
it’s so important to bettering all your games!
 
... having the cue ball travel 10+ ft at warp speed every 15th ball. there are 4 pockets to scratch in when doing that.
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I would say all six pockets are in play. The first tournament I saw Hohmann in, I think two of his 100+ ball runs ended when the cue ball hit a ball in the rack on the low side and then shot into the foot pocket. I don't think he breaks like that as much now, but it is still at least occasional for him.
 
You’ll get there.
it’s so important to bettering all your games!
I can see that. Im in a weird phase where i quit playing for ten years and now have been shooting steadily for maybe a year again. Half the time my patterns are excellent and i just blow the execution 🤷‍♂️

i think my biggest problem right now is that i get knocked out of rhythm so easily. I play really fast just by nature but that doesnt mean im not thinking things through.

If i free stroke em like my 8 or 9 ball game, i can get pretty good shape for area position most of the time but as others have mentioned thats usually not good enough for fourteenone. With this approach ill knock down 14 fairly easily and occasionally even make the break ball, but alas 15 is my hr. Yes, i understand the triangle. Yes i have practiced my break shot to death. I just cant seem to slow down enough to give the cue ball the respect it deserves.

If i do attempt slowing down and checking my angles and lining up shots, my patterns do seem to improve slightly. Unfortunately, it also knocks me clean out of rhythm and i eventually i just miss an easy shot for no reason, or think i can do more than i can (as far as moving the rock and still pocketing the ob.)

i was fortunate enough to go to a city run “pool school” of sorts here a couple times, and it did help me with a couple things, but some things i seemingly am unable to change after 20+ years; evidently my bridge is odd, similar to a carom player according to the instructor. She also mentioned that my eyes flutter between the cb and ob more than necessary. she was very adamant about an open bridge and implementing a pause in the backswing, neither of which is something that i feel i am able to change.

It’s possible this old dog just wont learn any new tricks!
 
Here are 5 guys that, if you find any of their straight pool videos, they are all fairly classic in their approach to the game- Steve Mizerak, Nick Varner, Mike Sigel, Ray Martin, Mike Zuglan. There certainly are others, but all five of these guys started out learning straight pool, as far as I know.
 
Equal Offense is a good drill both to learn and to test your progress. It is similar to just doing runs as in the high run challenge attempts with a few differences. The full rules are in the BCA Rule Book and copied to some websites. Here is a link to an online version in Google Books. That link also has the rules for Internet Equal Offense which was an international competition around 1999.

Briefly: 15-ball rack, free smash break, spot up any ball broken in, cue ball then starts behind the line, play 14.1 but stop at 20 and start your next inning, do in sets of 10 so a max score is 200.

An average of 6 (60 in 10 innings) is very good for a beginner. You can modify the rules to allow 1 or 2 or 3 extra ball-in-hands after misses so you aren't racking so often.
The one I posted earlier are the modified rules. Just forgot to mention to respot whatever fell on the break.
 
The one I posted earlier are the modified rules. Just forgot to mention to respot whatever fell on the break.
The disadvantage I see of your modified form is that it omits getting on a break shot for the following rack. Your version stops at 15 each rack.

If the point is to learn 14.1, I think getting to and through the break is critical.
 
This is of course assuming you already have good fundamentals/alignment/stroke. If not, you likely need to concentrate on getting that worked out first.
Yes I can be good but it comes and goes. Today I was a mess--today I had my "Phat disease." Sometimes my sixtysomething eyebrain just wants to hit everything fat. Undercut everything. It's like a mental glitch. Sometimes it lasts for a few tables (racks), sometimes a few hours, once it lasted for three weeks. Often I go back to fundamentals to try to get out of it. I have developed a beautiful stroke by working hard at it but under pressure, when tired, lazy, hot, cross, etc., I sometimes revert to my old bad habits. It can be subtle and hard to detect at first sometimes.

I decided to just rack, break, shoot until I miss one, re-rack. If I cheat and keep going after a miss, I feel less pressure. I think the pressure of not being able to miss is going to be better for me in the end.

I'll tell you, just with 3 days (maybe 4.5 hours total) of trying 14.1, I already have *much* more respect for it. Much more.

Mike
 
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Concentrate on every shot the same. You will miss the easiest shots in the world in this game.lol.
Yeah why is that?!? I was yelling at myself for missing shots that are automatic most times.

It's very interesting. All I want to do now is go out to the pool table shed and torture myself doing straight pool racks. o_O
 
Yeah why is that?!? I was yelling at myself for missing shots that are automatic most times.

It's very interesting. All I want to do now is go out to the pool table shed and torture myself doing straight pool racks. o_O
The shots in 14.1 are usually part of a longer and critical sequence. You can easily find yourself in situations where if you end up slightly off in a 2 or 3 ball sequence, you essentially, dogged the whole rack. Those ducks you miss are in effect more critical than hanging the game ball in single rack games. Small steps...
 
Yeah why is that?!? I was yelling at myself for missing shots that are automatic most times.

It's very interesting. All I want to do now is go out to the pool table shed and torture myself doing straight pool racks. o_O

I think it is because, much like at 1pocket, the game compels you to shoot shots in a manner you're less familiar with.

IOWs, instead of just going with the old tried and true going off a rail position that you might favor playing 9ball, you are more often forced to float a ball slightly left, right, forward, or back. And if you don't have experience doing that you'll often misjudge effects on the OB.

Lou Figueroa
 
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I saw Jerry Seinfeld spectating several professional 14.1 tourneys in NYC. I'm sure you likely did as well. It's certain that characteristically (as a top stand-up comedian) 14.1's requirement of instantly dealing with changing situations (as with his own hecklers, and creating reactive gags for his comedy writing) greatly appealed to him.

Arnaldo ~ Annoying and aging amateur psychologist
Actually, no. I never saw Jerry attend anything other than the WPBA Brunswick New York Classic, a women's nine ball event contested at the Amsterdam Billiard Club in New York City from about 1994-2001. Jerry didn't live far from Amsterdam at the time.
 
I think it is because, much like at 1pocket, the game compels you to shoot shots in a manner you're less familiar with.

IOWs, instead of just going with the old tried and true going off a rail position that you might favor playing 9ball, you are more often forced to float a ball slightly left, right, forward, or back. And if you don't have experience doing that you'll often misjudge effects on the OB.

Lou Figueroa
14.1 can sometimes be a game of fractional inches of position,way different from rotation games where most of the time position is just getting to a "zone" area.
 
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