How do I fix this!!!!!!!

teko454

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I have this problem that I cant shake. When Im playing 8ball or 9ball I run the rack nicely until i get to the last two balls and blow it. Almost every time this happens. I do not know what is wrong. Anyone have any ideas on how to work on this or should i just quit playing. Thanks Dave
 
Start gambling and demanding the 7.

maybe you're changing your pace either speeding up or slowing down too much when you get down to the last balls. i like to take my time and make sure i pocket them.

or you could take up 14.1
 
I will try that. I dont gamble much because of this reason but maybe it it starts costing me some cash I pull my head out of my ass.
 
Question: Why do you miss the ball? Is it position, or nerves?

Explain why you miss and you'll get better advice how to correct the failed runout.
 
Practice

I had the same problem when I started and a wise man told me to practice with just the 7,8,and 9.Rack just those 3 balls,break and take ball in hand and run them out.It will get you used to finishing sometimes thats all your mind needs a little positive reinforcement.
 
Without seeing you play, I would guess that as you get closer to the end of the rack, you probably start thinking about running out. It's possible that you start shooting quicker, and get out of your pre-shot routine. You have to shoot every shot the same way to get consistency. Try not to think about the game...just think about one shot at a time. When you are making shots consistently, the games will happen.
Steve
 
I'd also like to suggest practicing some 14.1 If you have never practiced going beyond running 8 balls, approaching that goal/ending can become slightly unnerving. On the other hand once you can run say 15 to 20 balls in straight pool, I think approaching that 8th shot in 8 ball will seem like just another.
 
Good day all.
I would like to jump on Teko's thread here if that's ok as I have the exact same problem with 8-ball. During winter league I ran down to the eight ball on at least 9 occasions that I can remember and failed at all of them!

Playing for many years I have never had an ERO. It's very frustrating albeit I still love the game:)

For bigg7: Do you have an Idea for 8-ball similar to the 3 ball rack for nine ball you gave up above.?

For StevenPwaldon: I believe the big reason for me missing is never having/ creating good position on the 8-ball. I end up with an extremely tough shot everytime it seams.

Thanks all. I hope I didn't get in the way here Teko but we seem to have a similar difficulty with running out.

Take care.

Paul.
 
Because

that is when that little thought rolls across your mind that says, "I've got the game", and you are subconsciously striving to hear that little thought more than the final ball (money ball) go into the pocket.

You are climaxing yourself prematurely, and we all know how things let down after a climax .... LOL Stay disciplined and keep your mind on track until the last ball drops. Nothing is a given ever, no matter what you think.
 
Breath, calm yourself down, stare at the green or blue felt for a minute, read "Pleasures of small motions". Good luck.
 
I willl try all the advice that was given and let u guys know what happens. You didnt get in the way of anything Carpe. I believe that this website is for everyone to use and benefit. This is how we try to grow the sport and make sure that is stays around for a long time. Thanks Dave
 
just think of the 7,8,9 as the 1,2, and the 3 ball. that would make you feel composed and takes the pressure away. If this doesn't work, try to adapt Happy Gilmore's style (nope, not the putter throw,ok? :D ).
 
teko454 said:
I have this problem that I cant shake. When Im playing 8ball or 9ball I run the rack nicely until i get to the last two balls and blow it. Almost every time this happens. I do not know what is wrong. Anyone have any ideas on how to work on this or should i just quit playing. Thanks Dave




Just a thought and most importantly there are others who spent their lives at teaching, I don't, so please take this as an opinion of one player.

Sometimes we get ahead of ourselves as we divert some of our focus to accomplishments already made towards the end rack. Instead of maintaining the "one shot at a time", we jump mentally to the "end of game", the consequences of winning or losing. The one shot at a time means we always plan 3 balls, that is in 8 ball, 9 and 10 ball. As we approach the end, the three balls are not there, this causes a change. Change causes self awareness, and this self awareness re-creates the same feeling we entered the match with, nerves are noticed.

Somehow, instead of creating a "bell curve" confidence effect, we need to enable one that maintains the peak. Introducing a tool set that promotes a more consistent confidence level, the same we felt during mid balls, throughout the game is vital.

As I mentioned, change always results in self awareness, a huge negative in this game. It is also a distraction to achieving "in the zone" play. Consider the beginning the match when self awareness is at its greatest. If we think of our stroke, speed and bridge, we will shoot our worst. The focus is too close to our bodies. Some players will actually shake a bit because of this. I believe there are two important parts to making the "end game" at mid game confidence.

The first;

1. Aiming technique. Our focus should be completely tuned in to the absolute point of the OB of our intended hit. If we allow our thoughts or feeling awareness in our body to enter, ie hands, stance and so forth, we have lost confidence. On the other hand, if we force ourselves to have the greater concentration on the absolute smallest point of the OB we intend contact with the CB, we have just removed self awareness to self confidence. It's ahead of us, I think this is key. After all how else is it possible to stroke straight and smoothly if we feel mostly the immediate? Just like drawing a straight line between two points, the straightest and smoothest is always when we look ahead to the second point and just stroke the pen to that focus. Focus belongs ahead of us for the best opportunity to a straight & smooth line. The key is to focus ahead, after all we already should know our own abilities at this time, and certainly in the game is not when we need to practice it. Focus ahead will automatically adjust everything we already know, automatically, without any conscious thought. This build confidence by working harder at each shot to get the CB there.


2. Plan. I think as we approach the last few balls so must our mental plan of how we work the table, without question. It must be a habit so that our mind does not see this as "change" rather a continuation. I for one really do not like the idea of attempting to gain position on balls that are just not there. ie, in nine ball to pretend to get position on a ghost ten ball, I just never liked ghost stuff. After all, our minds will eventually figure out that we are playing games with ourselves and we will then end up missing. The closer we keep everything to "real", the better our minds will accept and it will just make sense with less to question. In other words, no need for sub-conscious distractions. (How many choke on the 8 ball in nine ball? This is proof that end game does not need position on a ball that does not exist.) End game should be making the 9 in 9 ball, not getting position on a fictitious ball. The last two balls; The second from the last shot should favor position to our most confident angle of the last one, then align the shot with ultimate focus on the ball shooting. On the last shot we should first mentally see the path of the CB following the shot, so we do not scratch. This is so important because it will add confidence. Forget hitting it to easy, this is not natural. After all, this is the game winning ball, lots of bad things can happen if we baby a key shot.


Anyway, just my thoughts and I'm sure some may disagree with some very good reasons.
 
bigg7 said:
I had the same problem when I started and a wise man told me to practice with just the 7,8,and 9.Rack just those 3 balls,break and take ball in hand and run them out.It will get you used to finishing sometimes thats all your mind needs a little positive reinforcement.
I like this. Get's you used to seeing these balls more.
 
Keep Your Mind On The Process Of Playing Well

Carpe_Diem said:
Good day all.
I would like to jump on Teko's thread here if that's ok as I have the exact same problem with 8-ball. During winter league I ran down to the eight ball on at least 9 occasions that I can remember and failed at all of them!

Playing for many years I have never had an ERO. It's very frustrating albeit I still love the game:)

For bigg7: Do you have an Idea for 8-ball similar to the 3 ball rack for nine ball you gave up above.?

For StevenPwaldon: I believe the big reason for me missing is never having/ creating good position on the 8-ball. I end up with an extremely tough shot everytime it seams.

Thanks all. I hope I didn't get in the way here Teko but we seem to have a similar difficulty with running out.

Take care.

Paul.

Paul, the both of you need to: KEEP YOUR MIND ON THE PROCESSING OF PLAYING WELL AND AVOID ALL THOUGHTS OF WINNING OR LOSING.

When you get to the final few balls, you start thinking about the wrong things. You must confine your thoughts to the process of playing well and not dwell or even consider the outcome as outcome thinking is the kiss of death. I should know. LOL

JoeyA
 
just a thought

When your in the middle of your run are you shooting the balls in the best pattern or are you just playing the best position from where you find your self?What I mean is when you start your turn and your playing shape from one ball to the next if you get out of line do you just try to play the best way from that position or do you look for a shot to recover the pattern you started with? I think most players who fail to run out falsely blame nerves when really by the time they get to the 7 or the 8,9 they are so far out of line that they've really got to come with a shot to get out.Ask yourself when you get to the last few balls how often do you have to bank in a ball or draw length of the table or do something else that is out of your comfort zone?No one here can tell you for sure all the advice is definitely worth checking out but be honest with yourself sometimes its easier to just say you choked and kick yourself in the ass but it's not productive.JMHO
 
bigg7 said:
I had the same problem when I started and a wise man told me to practice with just the 7,8,and 9.Rack just those 3 balls,break and take ball in hand and run them out.It will get you used to finishing sometimes thats all your mind needs a little positive reinforcement.
:)

I missed this post before, I agree, nothing beats familiarity. Great post.
 
teko454 said:
I have this problem that I cant shake. When Im playing 8ball or 9ball I run the rack nicely until i get to the last two balls and blow it. Almost every time this happens. I do not know what is wrong. Anyone have any ideas on how to work on this or should i just quit playing. Thanks Dave

I don't believe any one has mentioned this but, what kind of position do you have on those balls?

Do you always miss the last couple of balls, or is just during a run out?

What kind of shot do you have on those balls are they difficult (long or severe cut) or are they medium average shots?

It could be that you are gradually getting out of position throughout the rack and by the end you have tough shots to finish it out, which is compounded by nerves. If this is the case work on planning out the rack, and any position play drills you know of.
 
Happens to me every now and then.....it eats at my soul :mad:

When it does happen, it's typically when I'm not shooting quite as well, and instead of playing smooth, natural, and with feel, I'm "thinking" through every shot and every leave, trying to get out of the rut....and the harder I try, the worse it gets.....which leads to really overthinking the final two balls and missing simple shots :mad: ....maybe you do the same :confused:

Anyway, sounds like people have offered a lot of good advice....7,8,9 3-ball game.....or go to straight and run a lot of balls at once.....or mix it up with 8-ball.....

On practice days, I like to start with the 1,2, and 3.....as soon as I run them out in order, I'll add the 4, and then after I run that out in order without misses, I'll add the 5, on so on until I hit 9 or 10......on days when it's really bad, I'll just start with 3, pocket them in any order, and add balls as before, but just shooting any ball in any order....
 
If you arent having a problem with the 1-6 then I would have to say that you are putting such an emphasis on the last 2 or 3 balls that you are creating a state of nervousness that is causing you to tense up. That could cause a miriad of problems from decelerating to steering with your backhand to wrist movements. All of the above will cause inadverdant english and cause you to either get poor shape or throw balls out of the pocket. If this is the case then you need to build up some confidence in your ability and just play it out man. Stress can do some F'd up things to your game.
 
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