How do these diamond tables play so badly? vid

iusedtoberich said:
What are you talking about? He had a paid banks clinic. He was not having a bad day. He was giving an instruction to a group of players that paid for the clinic.
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C'mon, you never just woke up on the wrong side of the bed and said something that maybe you could have handled better?? Does Brumback still maintain his same thoughts on Diamonds years later?
 
iusedtoberich said:
IMO, people got used to them. It's also a tough pill to swallow if someone plays 10k for a table/light/delivery and then doesn't want to look the fool and complain that it doesn't play right. That happened for years with the Reds. Probably most of the complaints during the Red days came from players that didn't own one.

I, in fact, play my best pool on a Diamond 7'. Compared to a 9' GC. It's smaller so it's easier. I'd say most of my pool these days is on Diamond.

I've said before, I think the main reason some people have good experiences on Diamonds, and some have bad, is they are more susceptible to temp/humidiy changes.

I play at a room in the philly suburbs that is all Diamonds, and I like them there. I play at another room in Delaware, and the Diamonds there bounce like a pin ball. Both rooms are new (less than 5 years old) Blue label 7'.

I was also at the Hopkins event last year and played in it. 100 or so brand new from the factory Blue 7', that were total pin ball machines. 5 feet away was a brand new Gold Crown Coin that Savanah was running racks on in the Brunswick booth, that was playing perfect. The ball came off the rail with noticeable less speed than it came in with. On a Diamond, the ball comes off the rail at almost the speed it went in.
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The comment on the Brunswick barbox is interesting, they were using one for the stream table in the Arizona Ultimate Pool USA tournament last weekend, I'm not sure what cloth it had but the cue ball just would not stop, it looked awful.
 
Lola said:
I love my Diamond table. And to be perfectly honest you should be able to figure out a table bank length within the first 10 minutes. Generally the tournaments I play have the same tables so it really is not a problem to figure them out. On the occasion there is a mix of Diamonds and Valleys it gets complicated and frustrating.
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This is what I’ve said lol every table plays different. If your as a good a player as you think you are you can adjust.
 
fastone371 said:
The comment on the Brunswick barbox is interesting, they were using one for the stream table in the Arizona Ultimate Pool USA tournament last weekend, I'm not sure what cloth it had but the cue ball just would not stop, it looked awful
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As much as I love my diamond I always cheer for Brunswick to do well but their barbox table is just fugly to me. I’d rather buy a predator before that and I feel they look like a table you would buy off temu
 
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iusedtoberich said:
Incorrect. My complaints stem from both Red AND Blue labels. I've been playing on Diamonds since the late 1990's, thru to today. The Blue label, whether 7' or 9', is still artificially fast on the rebound angle compared to its bed speed. And artificially short. The switch from Red to Blue happened about 2011. I go to a couple rooms that still have both side by side, and there is hardly any difference.
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I've seen an interview with Greg Sullivan, I believe it was at Derby city, where he claims that they purposefully made the rails different so that there was more ways to bank skillfully. Have no idea if that was true or not, or if you can do banks on a Diamond that wouldn't typically be possible on other tables. But I do know that the speed and spin can make a big difference on banks with broken in cloth on a Diamond.

Brumback seems to do most banks at high speed, which may explain why he sees no difference in the way they bank.

But seriously, before Diamond, did you not see the complete garbage furniture grade tables that were being used in "professional" tournaments? Family Leisure pool tables? Easy to knock Diamond, but they did a lot to cure pool of that particular ailment. If Brunswick would have stayed active in the pool table business, Diamond would never have been a possibility. So you can blame Brunswick just as much, lol.

If you hate Diamonds that passionately, go out and start your own pool table manufacturing business. At least the Diamond folk tried to do something to improve the overall sport.
 
trob said:
As much as I love my diamond I always cheer for Brunswick to do well but their barbox table is just fugly to me. I’d rather buy a predator before that and I feel they look like a table you would buy off te
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This one? I dont think this table looks so bad.



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iusedtoberich said:
The artemis cushion is only installed on their 9' tables. Their 7' table have the diamond brand rubber, with less of nose radius. Both bounce way shorter and way faster than every other table ever made since the beginning of time. Wow, I just can't believe diamond cushions took hold in pool. Every other part of their table is great. The cushions, yuk!!!
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I totally agree
poolscholar said:
I'd like to hear from someone who knows wtf they are talking about. A table mechanic, diamond rep, etc. because these tables are screwed up. Not trying to argue about other things here
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I've played on Diamonds that pick up speed whenever they touch a rail. Hell, they almost go airborne off the rails! Needs to be a bit less imo. . .
 
RonnieRose said:
I totally agree

I've played on Diamonds that pick up speed whenever they touch a rail. Hell, they almost go airborne off the rails! Needs to be a bit less imo. . .
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I’ve never seen that on a diamond but plenty of valleys around here played like that. Hard to accurately kick at a ball when any speed medium or above jumps in the air off the rail
 
RonnieRose said:
Ya got me......I was fibbing

N O T
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NO table on earth picks up speed off each cushion. To do so would require a re-write of the laws of physics. Also, balls getting airborne is a set-up problem. Played on a lot of Diamonds(blue and red) and have NEVER seen ONE ball airborne. Another case of DDS. Just curious, you've been a member for 4yrs but no posts until basically nine in a month. Stage fright?? ;) You and iusedtoberich probably outta go to DDS therapy together. ;)
 
Pretty much everything iusedtoberich says about Diamond tables was also said by almost everyone else, the first time they played on one. They have become pervasive, people have gotten used to them, and accepted the way they play.
 
garczar said:
NO table on earth picks up speed off each cushion. To do so would require a re-write of the laws of physics. Also, balls getting airborne is a set-up problem. Played on a lot of Diamonds(blue and red) and have NEVER seen ONE ball airborne. Another case of DDS. Just curious, you've been a member for 4yrs but no posts until basically nine in a month. Stage fright?? ;) You and iusedtoberich probably outta go to DDS therapy together. ;)
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Of course balls don’t pick up speed. But it can often seem that way to a player’s brain because the balls come off the cushions on Diamond tables significantly faster than any other table.

Why don’t you count up all the players in this thread who posted similar things to me. Or gave a thumbs up to the posts in this thread saying the rails stink?

Do we all have DDS?

Maybe we don’t have DDS as you claim. Maybe instead, Glen and your email buddy at Diamond brainwashed you into thinking these rails are good.

Ps, I saw about 10 brand new in a row blue label 9’ from the factory hop the rails with my own eyes at the Tunica tournament.

Manny Chaou and another player (forgot his name now) were both going nuts playing a banks action match and quit after one set due to the balls hopping like mad.

People like you discount a players first hand poor experience on diamonds. Say it must be a bad mechanic setup. Or the player with the bad experience stinks.

Go back to your diamond email pen pal and tell him his rails stink.
 
Diamond tables are like a psych experiment a high school teacher told the class about. I forgot what it was called, but it is famous from what I remember the teacher telling us. It goes like this:

There are a group of 10 people in the room all "in" on the experiment, and one person, #11, is just a random person. A line is drawn on the blackboard, at 2 feet long. Everyone "in" on the experiment says it's 1 foot long. The random person holds steadfast that its 2 feet long. After a long while of the 10 people trying to convince him, the random person starts second guessing himself. Maybe the other 10 really are right? Maybe I'm mistaken, and that line really is 1' long?

That's how Diamond rails took over. Slowly and surely the "random" players began to accept them as "normal".

Tell your penpal this for a laugh too;)
 
Jimmorrison said:
Pretty much everything iusedtoberich says about Diamond tables was also said by almost everyone else, the first time they played on one. They have become pervasive, people have gotten used to them, and accepted the way they play.
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I went to DCC in '07, red labels were still around. Didn't hear a single pro or am whine about them. Got to play on the tourn. tables after 11pm and thought they played great. Banked a lil shorter but nothing on the scale that some whine about. Blues have been fine from the get-go.
 
garczar said:
I went to DCC in '07, red labels were still around. Didn't hear a single pro or am whine about them. Got to play on the tourn. tables after 11pm and thought they played great. Banked a lil shorter but nothing on the scale that some whine about. Blues have been fine from the get-go.
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It's just complaints about fast+tight tables.
 
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