How do you aim bank & kick shots?

I basically use the angle of reflection as a reference point. (equal and opposite) I aim wide if my object ball is stunning when it hits the rail & narrow if my object ball is rolling when it hits the rail. How much depends on a lot of things but mostly feel developed through a lot of experience.
 
Advice for a Banking noob,.......... Seriously ??

Patrick Johnson said:
Visualizing mirror images of the table and balls is the basis for several banking/kicking methods - it works in theory (as a reference) for any number of rails. The pics below show how to visualize mirror image three-rail paths to the corner pocket (solid line = actual path; dotted line = mirror image path).

Of course the ball will rarely if ever follow the perfect equal-angle mirror path, but it can be a useful fixed reference for comparison and estimation.

pj
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PJ, there is like 6 pool tables here;you are using 5 of them. Does the shooter have to drink to see all of these tables ?? :eek:
 
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dr_dave said:
Could you describe it here, or provide a link?

I don't think I know that one.

Thanks,
Dave
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Bugs advocated changing the angle on unnatural banks to avoid kisses or create the right angle by using tips of sidespin....as in two tips low right for example.

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JB Cases said:
Bugs advocated changing the angle on unnatural banks to avoid kisses or create the right angle by using tips of sidespin....as in two tips low right for example.

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This is what I do on bank shots.

I check to see what line it is closest too and then use English/stroke speed to pocket the ball.

Of course, I'm assuming that unnatural means a ball not lying directly on a tract line (like 4 to 2, 3 to 1.5, etc.). Am I correct in this thinking JB?

-Richard
 
Zphix said:
This is what I do on bank shots.

I check to see what line it is closest too and then use English/stroke speed to pocket the ball.

Of course, I'm assuming that unnatural means a ball not lying directly on a tract line (like 4 to 2, 3 to 1.5, etc.). Am I correct in this thinking JB?

-Richard
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Yes. You are correct. If the bank lays natural then you only need the right speed to avoid any roll off.

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ceebee said:
Go see Tor Lowry & Manning Cues on YouTube...
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Hi Sam,

I have some advance kicking videos free on my website manningcues.com
These videos show 1, 2, 3 & 4 rail kicks.
The same system used for kicking can be implemented into banking to determine the object balls track line to the pocket.
Feel free to call me anytime to discuss in detail. I hope this helps :)

Here is a link to a few of the videos:

https://manningcues.com/store/Track-Lines-Full-Table.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Track-Lines-Half-Table.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Track-Lines-Side-Pocket.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Advanced-One-Rail-Kicks-Part-1.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Advanced-One-Rail-Kicks-Part-2.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Advanced-One-Rail-Kicks-Part-3.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Advanced-One-Rail-Kicks-Part-4.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Two-Rail-Kick-Shots.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Three-Rail-Kick-Shots.html

https://manningcues.com/store/Four-Rail-Kick-Shots.html
 
Dunnn51 said:
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PJ, there is like 6 pool tables here;you are using 5 of them. Does the shooter have to drink to see all of these tables ?? :eek:
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That is the banger method!

If you hit it hard enough it will go into a pocket on one of the tables. Go to any league night and you will be able to see it in action.

And usually the players have had enough "aiming oil" to see at least one of the tables, if they haven't knocked all the lights out with the balls flying around.

Angle in equals angle out, with adjustments being made through speed, spin, etc., etc.

It may take some people hitting a million balls, but I learned to beat tons of guys by hitting quite a few balls less.

Asking questions and reading isn't going to hurt your game, it will only improve it. Don't let the naysayers on here dissuade you.

Aloha and the best of games to you
 
I just look, aim where I want it to go, and then shoot it. I don't bank much because I'd rather cut a ball, and the bar table rails often suck.
 
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I use this system, because it's on the piece of paper I have and it makes sense to me: :wink:
 

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There are three methods of aiming a Bank shot.
1. Diamonds
2. Object Ball.
3. Cue Ball.

I use my Cue Ball on 99% of the Banks (AKA) Bugs.

randyg
 
SamLambert said:
I am aware that CTE and other aiming systems might cover these shots, but please refrain from starting a debate about CTE.

I have been reading about bank & kick shots today and the systems that are commonly used for them. I was wondering if there was a major tendancy toward one in particular. This thread is mostly for the purpose of seeing what people prefer and also why.

If you only have one system that seems to work well for you, or if you chose a system depending on the shot in particular, feel free to explain your reasoning, I would really love some experienced feedback on the subject!

Thanks!
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sam
its been 3 months
which system did you choose and why??
for the record i did NOT read the whole thread
 
Little Joe has 2 very good Kicking DVDs, John Brumback's first DVD has Banking methods that are used by the best bankers in the world.

Mark
 
Banking with the beard and zero-x are good starting spots. After that just takes a lot of practice implementing and remembering the systems.
 
bbb said:
sam
its been 3 months
which system did you choose and why??
for the record i did NOT read the whole thread
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I did not put much effort into banking and kicking in the last months.

Mostly because I have so much more important things to work on and the mirror method works good enough for me right now.

Once I get to a better level on other points of my game, I will put more time into kicking and banking. Heath Manning sent me some nice links, I'll watch them later and see if I can incorporate quickly enough what is learnt from them without losing too much the focus of what I'm working on right now.

Sam
 
SamLambert said:
I did not put much effort into banking and kicking in the last months.

Mostly because I have so much more important things to work on and the mirror method works good enough for me right now.

Once I get to a better level on other points of my game, I will put more time into kicking and banking. Heath Manning sent me some nice links, I'll watch them later and see if I can incorporate quickly enough what is learnt from them without losing too much the focus of what I'm working on right now.

Sam
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Someone mentioned Freddy " The Beard " earlier in this thread. You haven't been here long enough to remember him but trust me he was an expert banker with tons of great road stories too! The others mentioned are also great, but me personally for my money the Beard would be at the top of that list for material. Also when you have extra time do a search on here of him as just about everything he posted was a great read worthy of your time. GL
 
BmoreMoney said:
Someone mentioned Freddy " The Beard " earlier in this thread. You haven't been here long enough to remember him but trust me he was an expert banker with tons of great road stories too! The others mentioned are also great, but me personally for my money the Beard would be at the top of that list for material. Also when you have extra time do a search on here of him as just about everything he posted was a great read worthy of your time. GL
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Thanks! I will look him up.


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Yes... Freddy the Beard, Tor Lowry, Manning Cues, Dr Dave

I would also try learn what the application of how side spin, draw & speed affect banking
 
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