How Do You Aim By Feel

I'll look for your thread, and I will ask the questions again there. Otherwise, I guess I'll really have to wait until the video comes out, if it ever does (which I hope is the case). After all of these years, CTE has still not been described completely (or at all) in any book, magazine, or video (as far as I know). Until this changes, CTE/Pro-One will remain to the "detractors," "skeptics," and "doubters" as a mysterious religion with miraculous promises. But you seem to be a firm "believer," "proponent," and/or "promoter" now, so I look forward to your analysis.

Regards,
Dave

Dave,

You are showing yourself to be at the top of the list of "detractors", "skeptics" and "doubters" and are one of the main ones to continue to call CTE/Pro One a "mysterious religion with miraculous cures" as well as other disingenuous remarks.

To use these insinuations and wording is hardly what I would expect from a professional, especially when you haven't even seen CTE/Pro One.

My opinion of you is dropping faster than Paris Hilton's panties. :wink:

You should just wait for the video to come out.

While I will be giving a review of CTE/Pro One, I will be honorable enough to keep the details of Stan's Aiming System secret.

Those who want to learn it may purchase the video and learn it for themselves and then they can determine for themselves if it was worth the price.

Personally, I respect a man trying to earn a living.

I don't understand people who attempt to soil another man's good name. :angry: Hope you miss the irony in my post. :rolleyes:

JoeyA
 
With all of the threads and posts about CTE and the way "Feel" comes into play
(subconscious adjustments) nobody has ever described how to aim by feel and why it's the best way to aim. Obviously many think it is the best way to aim because it eventually takes over at some point on ALL aiming systems including ghost ball. Here are some questions regarding it:

1. Is feel the same for all players in determining what to do and how to use it?
2. Is feel transferrable from one player to the next and can it be taught?
3. How is feel geometrically correct over all other methods?
4. Can feel be illustrated on a Wie table?
5. Can the exactness of feel be shown in an algebraic or mathmatical formula which seems to be the final word to validate a system?
6. Is feel the same for an APA3 or anything in between compared to a short stop or pro?
7. Is feel consistent and exact from one shot to the next or from one day to the next?
8. How do you know if your feel manipulation is correct or incorrect before taking the shot?

Aiming in pool is the same as a pitcher in baseball, throwing a dart, in tennis and such. It's all muscle memory. Sorry but "aiming" systems will not fix bad skills. That's why some suck and always will and others excel.
 
Aiming in pool is the same as a pitcher in baseball, throwing a dart, in tennis and such. It's all muscle memory. Sorry but "aiming" systems will not fix bad skills. That's why some suck and always will and others excel.

Craig,
I understand what and why you say that but I dont agree on all of it. Explaination below.

336Robin :thumbup:

JoeyA,
I will take stab at it here goes:

336Robin http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/


Posted by Koop 5/3/10

How Do You Aim By Feel - 05-03-2010, 02:00 PM
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With all of the threads and posts about CTE and the way "Feel" comes into play
(subconscious adjustments) nobody has ever described how to aim by feel and why it's the best way to aim. Obviously many think it is the best way to aim because it eventually takes over at some point on ALL aiming systems including ghost ball. Here are some questions regarding it:

Answers in italics by 336Robin author of “Aim is the Game in Pool.”

1. Is feel the same for all players in determining what to do and how to use it?

No it is not, there are many ways to find reference points and many ways to play off them. The power of reference points in pool is that they are consistent and yes can be taught.

2. Is feel transferrable from one player to the next and can it be taught?

Refer to above answer------No/Yes. Depends on what you mean by transferrable but can be taught.

3. How is feel geometrically correct over all other methods?

How infinite is the amounts of contact points on a ball? How do you hit the one true contact point?

Well there are a few contact points that will work due to the width of the pockets depending on distance so its not perfectly exact science hence cheating the pocket.

You can see that and understand it but likely wont be able to run up to the ball with calipers and measure out where you should hit the ball. So feel becomes king really early on. Visual clues assist with that.


4. Can feel be illustrated on a Wie table?

Im sure you could illustrate it all you want and I use a method of illustrating it in my book but the understanding of it is the trick. You have to shoot a few shots after understanding the reference methods before you start to feel it but the good news is that you quickly begin to understand it.

5. Can the exactness of feel be shown in an algebraic or mathmatical formula which seems to be the final word to validate a system?

I’m sure if the player can understand the mathematics of parallax distances and finite widths he already knows, I’m sure that Bob Jewett or Dr. Dave might be able to locate a plottable place of contact but its of little use when all you have to do is to be able to walk up to a shot and because of your reference point be able to make a visual adjustment and nail it.

6. Is feel the same for an APA3 or anything in between compared to a short stop or pro?

Feel is the same for everyone in that feel doesn’t discriminate but, the feel is subject to a visual intelligence which is a relationship between the reference system and the user that grows, the quality of the reference system then comes into question., these reference points have ways of changing in a players game to continual refinement of finer and finer divisions until the width of the pocket seems like a canyon.

7. Is feel consistent and exact from one shot to the next or from one day to the next?

A player without rest tends to lose a sense of feel, or one that is emotionally affected.

Different reference systems work with various results from certain angles but there is at least one reference that is always consistent, it’s your understanding of that reference and its corresponding shot angles that makes up for the difference. Due to that feel is variable.

How you make sense of all of that is most important.

8. How do you know if your feel manipulation is correct or incorrect before taking the shot?

When you’ve done it a few times if your reference system is consistent you immediately can find the division on the ball that pots the shot. Your memory will serve you well if the way you are looking at the shot has been refined to a repeatable pattern. You learn that anything other that the right solution impedes the progress of the ball on the correct path of incidence to the pocket. When you learn what an impeded path looks like then you can stay on the money.________________________________________
All of the reference points in the world are no substitute for the practice using them, however a system rife with complications doesn’t help much. An absence of reference points lends to the complications you run into because you just make it harder that you need to. If you understand any system and are able to “feel” within it that is all that is needed. It depends on how much trouble you want to go to. Natural methods tend to be pretty easy to understand and are what I am in support of. I am not a cte person, what exposure Ive had to it left me confused and feeling out of line.
If you start out in line to start off with that is one thing you don’t have to worry about, then your feel is something you begin to be able to use with much less confusion.
I cannot argue the success that some players are having with cte, but its not for me and my feelings are another camp of thought that I feel haven’t been explained quiet efficiently up to this point.

That is why I wrote this book.


336Robin http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com

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Last edited by 336Robin; Yesterday at 10:24 AM.
 
Feel is the fine tuning........

Okay but here's the kicker - I think someone can learn to be a great pool player having never learned a traditional aiming system.

What's more, there comes a point when an aiming system might actually inhibit your ability to develop your feel. If a player ignores his/her instincts, they may never see grand improvements in their game.

No matter what you are doing to get where you got with your aim, if you don't finish it off with extreme focus and concentration along with your feel everything else was done in vain.

It's kind of like making a cake perfectly and then you burn it right at the end???????????????

Everyone aims by feel................just that some aren't even close enough to being correct, to be able to use their natural feel.

Feel is the fine tunung.............
 
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