How do you cinch these shots?

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How do you cinch (just make the ball, position be damned) the following shots?

Be as detailed in your description as possible. Include exactly where and how you strike the CB (follow no english, stun right, draw left, etc.), how hard you should the shot, as well as your reasonings for doing so.

The first example is a slight cut shot to the left. More examples to follow...

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jsp said:
How do you cinch (just make the ball, position be damned) the following shots?

Be as detailed in your description as possible. Include exactly where and how you strike the CB (follow no english, stun right, draw left, etc.), how hard you should the shot, as well as your reasonings for doing so.

The first example is a slight cut shot to the left. More examples to follow...

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I fail to see the purpose of this excersize. can you please elaborate on what you hope to learn
 
Neil said:
I really don't understand your point here.?? What is it you are trying to learn on this shot??
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I'm trying to find out how people shoot these shots to maximize their chances to make them.

Neil said:
Anyways, you ALWAYS play position. Even off the last ball. When you don't, you are turning the cb loose and risk a scratch.
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True. I should have stated in the OP that you obviously want to avoid scratching.

Neil said:
With that said, the first thing I look at is the angle off the 9. Is it a scratch? In this case, quite possibly. So, I don't hit it hard enough to scratch, and just use a stop shot at pocket speed.
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Thank you. This is kinda the answer I'm looking for, but not detailed enough. Do you hit any right english to compensate for throw? Why not just roll the CB instead of hitting a stun shot to minimize any throw effects?

Now you see where I'm going with this thread? On the final shot in 9-ball, we all shoot the last shot to maximize our chances in making the shot (and obviously to avoid the scratch). What exactly goes through when we shooting these shots? Or why do we instinctively shoot these shots a particular way all the time?
 
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jsp said:
I'm trying to find out how people shoot these shots to maximize their chances to make them.


True. I should have stated in the OP that you obviously want to avoid scratching.


Thank you. This is kinda the answer I'm looking for, but not detailed enough. Do you hit any right english to compensate for throw? Why not just roll the CB instead of hitting a stun shot to minimize any throw effects?

Now you see where I'm going with this thread? On the final shot in 9-ball, we all shoot the last shot to maximize our chances in making the shot (and obviously to avoid the scratch). What exactly goes through when we shooting these shots? Or why do we instinctively shoot these shots a particular way all the time?
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I kinda see what your getting at, As Neil said you awalys have to think about the path of the CB and where ist going to stop. If you just want to cinch these balls, I'm assuming both shots are the last ball on the table, Both shots are very easy and are rarely missed by a experiened player. Sounds to me like your just learning and thats cool-so what you do is keep it simple, Dont put any side spin on the CB, dont roll the CB, shoot the shot with enough speed to make them perhaps a little below center on the CB, because i'm assuming your fairly new to pool DONT get complicated hitting the CB off center-you dont need side english/spin to "cinch" these shots. When you have learned more you will realize you can hit the CB anywhere and make them-especially #1. But thats way down the road for you, learn how to watch the CB and just pocket the shot not going right or left of the vertical axis(for now).
 
Okay, to clarify my point in this thread, I'll describe how I find myself cinching shot #1.

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I shoot a firm stun shot with a tad of right english to help compensate for throw. My contact point on the OB is aimed for the right half of the pocket, because more times than not I actually throw the OB a bit to the left with the right english.

I never roll this shot in.

It's not like think all this through every time I'm faced with this shot. After I shoot the shot, I sometimes ask myself, "Now exactly why did I instinctively shoot it that particular way?"

Now how exactly do you find yourself shooting this shot?
 
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Fatboy said:
I kinda see what your getting at, As Neil said you awalys have to think about the path of the CB and where ist going to stop. If you just want to cinch these balls, I'm assuming both shots are the last ball on the table, Both shots are very easy and are rarely missed by a experiened player. Sounds to me like your just learning and thats cool-so what you do is keep it simple, Dont put any side spin on the CB, dont roll the CB, shoot the shot with enough speed to make them perhaps a little below center on the CB, because i'm assuming your fairly new to pool DONT get complicated hitting the CB off center-you dont need side english/spin to "cinch" these shots. When you have learned more you will realize you can hit the CB anywhere and make them-especially #1. But thats way down the road for you, learn how to watch the CB and just pocket the shot not going right or left of the vertical axis(for now).
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read this it for some reason posted above your last post-weird.
 
maybe I am confused but you dont need to compensate for throw by putting a tip of right english. there isnt going to be any throw if you dont use left/right english. I would just hit it center ball with stun and you will end up the same place.
 
rodrivar said:
maybe I am confused but you dont need to compensate for throw by putting a tip of right english. there isnt going to be any throw if you dont use left/right english. I would just hit it center ball with stun and you will end up the same place.
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It sounds like you're unaware of "collision-induced throw", which is the same as "spin-induced throw" except the sideways friction on the OB is produced by the CB moving across it laterally rather than by the CB spinning.

When you cut the OB at an angle you get throw even without sidespin, so a little sidespin in the other direction helps to cancel it. It isn't a technique that's universally recommended because of the added aiming complexity with sidespin.

pj
chgo

P.S. And stun is the wrong kind of hit to minimize collision-induced throw (see my next post).
 
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jsp said:
I shoot a firm stun shot with a tad of right english to help compensate for throw.
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Hitting with stun maximizes throw, so you're creating the problem that you try to solve with right sidespin.

If you hit the shot with rolling ("natural") follow, the amount of throw will be reduced and you won't need the sidespin.

pj
chgo
 
On all of these left cuts I would say that I can make them 8 out 10 times unless I am using inside english (aka spin) and then it would be 6-7 times out of 10.

That is why most of my drills are for inside spin (aka english).

When I've put a lot of table time in (4+ hours a day) for more than a couple of weeks, I would feel confident enough to say that I would make it 19 out of 20 times if this was the money ball.

The percentage drops when I have to use extreme english to get back down table to either pocket for shape.
 
Natural roll follow (a reliable hit that minimizes throw), vertical center, just fast enough to avoid table rolls.

If necessary to avoid scratching I might go with stun instead of follow, but then I won't add sidespin to compensate for throw; I'll adjust my aim.

pj
chgo
 
rodrivar said:
maybe I am confused but you dont need to compensate for throw by putting a tip of right english. there isnt going to be any throw if you dont use left/right english. I would just hit it center ball with stun and you will end up the same place.
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these shots do have a tendency to cling a little and the CB will carry the OB slightly to the long rail w/o a tad of outside, unless you adjust by cutting it slightly more. I think that is was was inferred.

All these things begin to touch on the "feel" of the shot more than simply the aim IMO. It also has a lot to do with the table, cloth, and balls.
 
Both shots are no brainers!

I don't see the point here. Both of these shots are relatively easy and you should practice making these with center, draw, follow, inside, and outside english depending on your next ball.

If this were the last shot...as other people have said...center ball with pocket speed.

-Phillip
 
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