How do you cinch these shots?

[KoolKat9Lives]

From my experience most skids happen on a cut shot with no english, which is why I always add a little english on the majority of cut shots. I can't remember the last time I skidded a shot - knock on wood.

Plus the english helps throw the shot in.

I'm shooting and thinking on this shot exactly what efirkey writes (for shot #1.). And a little low on the cb to bring it above the cross-side scratch possibility.

I'm a tip up on the vertical axis on shot #2 with a fairly light stroke. No worries on cb position on this one.

 

[efirkey]

sounds like a challenge to me! Where ya located?

-Phillip

New Hampshire

 

[efirkey]

I'm shooting and thinking on this shot exactly what efirkey writes (for shot #1.). And a little low on the cb to bring it above the cross-side scratch possibility.

I'm a tip up on the vertical axis on shot #2 with a fairly light stroke. No worries on cb position on this one.

You can hit the cueball below center and not draw it and avoid the scratch. Just hit it hard enough that the cueball starts to roll forward when it hits the object ball.

and I would never hit the shot hard enough to scratch cross side or cross corner.

 

[pip9ball]

I just setup shot #1 and made it 25/25 with center, outside, inside. With outside english you chances of scratching is greater. Center ball is the easiest...no skid at all.

 

[efirkey]

I just setup shot #1 and made it 25/25 with center, outside, inside. With outside english you chances of scratching is greater. Center ball is the easiest...no skid at all.

you never skid when you are playing or practicing by yourself

 

[TommyT]

SAM #3. Goes in every time.

TommyT:wink:

 

[JoeyInCali]

Boston shorty said to use outside english to help make shots down the rail and with his track record I didn't question him.

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Inside english you mean?

 

[Fatboy]

What the hell is a " center english" ?
LOL

its a advanced theory in physics-we cant tell you yet. :wink:

 

[pip9ball]

you never skid when you are playing or practicing by yourself

To say I never experience skid would be asinine, however hitting the cueball center ball on shot #1 produced no skid. I usually experience skid when the object ball is much closer to the cue ball, where the cueball is still sliding. With the distance on shot #1, a center ball hit should be slightly rolling forward by the time contact is made and the chances of skid are pretty low.

Using inside/outside english introduces the following possibilities:

- Deflection
- Squirt
- Throw

Deflection will cause the cueball to move towards the left on this shot so you must account for this. The outside english will carry the object away from the pocket. Inside english will pull the object ball back towards the rail. However using inside english you will notice a greater deflection and must account for this.

My argument is simple, why introduce additional variables when one is trying to simple "cinch" or pocket the ball? It is much easier to pocket this ball with a center ball hit at pocket speed.

-Phillip

 

[1on1pooltournys]

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Roll this ball in with a center ball, "pocket" speed.

 

[pip9ball]

Roll this ball in with a center ball, "pocket" speed.

Okay, simple! Would you like me to post a video?

 

[unknownpro]

However using inside english you will notice a greater deflection and must account for this.
-Phillip

Not true. You may not get throw in the cut direction causing you to need to aim your tip a little more left than you would to the right for right (outside) english, but the deflection or squirt will be the same with the same stroke.

 

[pip9ball]

Not true. You may not get throw in the cut direction causing you to need to aim your tip a little more left than you would to the right for right (outside) english, but the deflection or squirt will be the same with the same stroke.

Yes, i stand corrected...the deflection should be the same given the same stroke. I guess what I was trying to say was you would need to compensate more....but because of the throw !

-Phillip

 

[jsp]

Shot #3

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[jsp]

Shot #4

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[Andrew Manning]

Shot 1: What I'm afraid of is undercutting due to a skid. With that in mind, I hit this shot with draw and a bit of outside english, just hard enough that the CB is still spinning backwards at contact.

Shot 2: With the larger angle, I'm not so worried about the skid. There's also no scratch in play unless you use draw/right and scratch cross-side, or extreme left and scratch cross-corner. I hit this softly with follow just to get a naturally rolling CB. I aim to hit the OB into the far facing, so if I miss it'll be an overcut, not an undercut. Overcutting this ball leaves a bank at best.

Shot 3: Firm with low outside. Much like shot 1, I don't want stun, I want a little draw, to avoid the skid. I also want to avoid forward roll of the CB, since the corner pocket looms large. I shoot this one firmly for accuracy; I just try for a confident, uninhibited stroke.

Shot 4: High right. This is another shot that tends to get a lot of throw unless I use outside english. I line up shots like this, where the CB and OB are close, standing up higher over the shot, since I feel like I see the angles better from that perspective. Then right english to cancel out throw, follow to avoid the upper left corner pocket, and a short stroke to avoid the double-hit.

-Andrew

 

[dabarbr]

Shot 1: What I'm afraid of is undercutting due to a skid. With that in mind, I hit this shot with draw and a bit of outside english, just hard enough that the CB is still spinning backwards at contact.

Shot 2: With the larger angle, I'm not so worried about the skid. There's also no scratch in play unless you use draw/right and scratch cross-side, or extreme left and scratch cross-corner. I hit this softly with follow just to get a naturally rolling CB. I aim to hit the OB into the far facing, so if I miss it'll be an overcut, not an undercut. Overcutting this ball leaves a bank at best.

Shot 3: Firm with low outside. Much like shot 1, I don't want stun, I want a little draw, to avoid the skid. I also want to avoid forward roll of the CB, since the corner pocket looms large. I shoot this one firmly for accuracy; I just try for a confident, uninhibited stroke.

Shot 4: High right. This is another shot that tends to get a lot of throw unless I use outside english. I line up shots like this, where the CB and OB are close, standing up higher over the shot, since I feel like I see the angles better from that perspective. Then right english to cancel out throw, follow to avoid the upper left corner pocket, and a short stroke to avoid the double-hit.

-Andrew

Well said. I agree with all of this.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

efirkey:
From my experience most skids happen on a cut shot with no english, which is why I always add a little english on the majority of cut shots. I can't remember the last time I skidded a shot - knock on wood.

Plus the english helps throw the shot in.

What does "throw the shot in" mean?

there are certainly shots that are easier to make with english than with center ball.

Which shots are easier to make with english?

pj
chgo

 

[Koop]

These are part of a simple system that Hal taught me which requires no pivot.

Shot one:
Aim the center of the cueball at the right quarter(half way point between the center and the edge) of the object ball. Shoot medium firm with follow through.

Shot number two:
Aim the center of the cueball at the right edge of the object ball.

Shot number 3 and 4 are quarter ball shots like the first one.

 

[jsp]

Which shots are easier to make with english?

PJ, how you would personally cinch shot #3?