How Do You Get To The 5 Ball Here?

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DrCue'sProtege

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had this spread last night, wasnt sure what to do? is there a way to get onto the '5' Ball from the '4' Ball?

the '9' Ball is pretty much in the way here. if you hit the cue ball at 3:00 you may very well contact the '9'. and if you try some low right english (a difficult shot) and try and come past the '9' you could very well scratch into the side pocket. you need to get into the middle of the table, or down past the '5' Ball to have an angle to get back uptable to the '6' Ball.

i tried to hit it at 3:00, about 2 tips of right english, and just miss the '9' but i contacted the '9', and the run was over.

DCP

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DrCue'sProtege said:
had this spread last night, wasnt sure what to do? is there a way to get onto the '5' Ball from the '4' Ball?

the '9' Ball is pretty much in the way here. if you hit the cue ball at 3:00 you may very well contact the '9'. and if you try some low right english (a difficult shot) and try and come past the '9' you could very well scratch into the side pocket. you need to get into the middle of the table, or down past the '5' Ball to have an angle to get back uptable to the '6' Ball.

i tried to hit it at 3:00, about 2 tips of right english, and just miss the '9' but i contacted the '9', and the run was over.

DCP

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Extreme inside left english. Looks pretty easy to go 3 rails and get up table for the 5.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
had this spread last night, wasnt sure what to do? is there a way to get onto the '5' Ball from the '4' Ball?

the '9' Ball is pretty much in the way here. if you hit the cue ball at 3:00 you may very well contact the '9'. and if you try some low right english (a difficult shot) and try and come past the '9' you could very well scratch into the side pocket. you need to get into the middle of the table, or down past the '5' Ball to have an angle to get back uptable to the '6' Ball.

i tried to hit it at 3:00, about 2 tips of right english, and just miss the '9' but i contacted the '9', and the run was over.

DCP

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zig zag CB first between 8 & 9 then toward 5 between 5 & 9.

Just back and forth
 
DCP first I must say I do enjoy you posting these. Thanks.

You could cut the 4 in with a little right english and run the cue ball between the 8 and 9 and back over again. Small window and needs to be accurate but would give you a decent shot at the 5.

SR
 
Two trains of thought:

Offense, hit it with hard left, thinning the 4. Cue ball should go 3 rails and have the 5 dead in the side...easy follow down for the 6 then.

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Defense, hit the 4 just about head on with stun, sending it 3 rails toward the other end of the table...near the upper right corner pocket and bury cue ball against the rail, putting the 4 short right rail.

Defense
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SloRoller said:
DCP first I must say I do enjoy you posting these. Thanks.

You could cut the 4 in with a little right english and run the cue ball between the 8 and 9 and back over again. Small window and needs to be accurate but would give you a decent shot at the 5.

SR
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Greatelly agreed; The same here !
 
SloRoller said:
You could cut the 4 in with a little right english and run the cue ball between the 8 and 9 and back over again. Small window and needs to be accurate but would give you a decent shot at the 5.

SR
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This seems like the obvious choice. It should work and its probably even easier than it looks.

The extreme left english is too risky. If you hit the 6, you may end up safe. If you hit the 8, you leave yourself a potential scratch on the five.
 
Another thought

You could hit the 4 ball with low right. Slightly elevate the back of the cue to get the required spin and come below the side pocket, down the head rail and back up to the top rail.

Then you have the 5 ball in the same pocket that you made the 4 ball. Slight amount of high english and you follow up for the 6 ball.

I have used this shot. Good one to practice and have in your arsenal.
 
DCP, I also would try using low right on the 4. If you're not able to bring the CB back far enough for the 5 in the top side pocket, you may have to bank the 5 into the lower side pocket.

Also, it helps to think at least 3 balls ahead. What's your plan for getting back to the 6 after you make the 5? :)
 
Agree with Pete

pete lafond said:
zig zag CB first between 8 & 9 then toward 5 between 5 & 9.

Just back and forth
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I agree with Pete, zig zag the cue ball hitting the two side rails is the way to go.

Hal
 
you're pretty much screwed from here. Here are some things you can try if you just want to try to run out.

- just play back and forth position off the 4 to shoot the 5 in the upper right pocket - if you mess up, play safe.

- try to send cb off the top rail into 8 or 9 so it caroms off to the right. Either ball will work. The 9 is pretty close and might be easier to carom off of, depending on your lines. I think your chances of scratching in the side pocket are slim, but you probably just want to play 3 rails on the 5, so just come short on the 5 and make sure you don't scratch in the corner. worst case, you should be able to bank the 5 cross-side.
 
pete lafond said:
zig zag CB first between 8 & 9 then toward 5 between 5 & 9.

Just back and forth
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This is the correct way to go. Good speed should leave you a shot on the 5 in the corner without having to worry about the scratch.

Inside english is no good as I see it because the ball on the end rail is in the way. To get up to the top of the table you have to hit the cue ball too hard for the spin to catch enough to beat that ball.

I would never never never never play safe here!
 
gromulan said:
I would never never never never play safe here!
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That depends on the level of the person you are playing. I might just get crazy and do this.
 

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Actually this shot does come up a lot and is in blackbelt billiards. Center ball would bring the CB into the 8 so about 1230 would take it between the 8 and 9 and with proper speed back to the rail.
 
I have the same question Tanner asked... an ouce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Go to accustats.com and buy some dvd's/tapes of Buddy Hall and watch his cue ball control and learn... now if your opponent left you this shot, then the zig-zag route is the way to deal with this, but I'd rather not be here in the first place - and I would also look for a safety option perhaps leaving him like this:

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Hal said:
That depends on the level of the person you are playing. I might just get crazy and do this.
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You would have to be playing someone pretty helpless for that to be a shot with a positive winning expectation. The same holds true for BlackJack's safety (which is better). If you are playing a good player you sure aren't going to like where they leave you next in either situation.
 
what do you do if you come out too far on the zig-zag shot and leave yourself a scratch shot on the 5? that's a pretty bad spot to be in.
 
Egg McDogit said:
what do you do if you come out too far on the zig-zag shot and leave yourself a scratch shot on the 5? that's a pretty bad spot to be in.
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Then you play the safety.

Back and forth, shooting the 5 in the corner and drawing back for the 6 seems to me to be the easiest and best option. Several have suggested low right and bring the cue ball past the side. Low spin going into the rail at that angle will shorten it. Ala Buddy Hall, you open the angle with right english and shooting as soft as possible to get your angle on the 5. Some may use a little masse to change the angle of the cue ball, which is OK, but its the right english and speed that makes the shot. Even at that, it looks tough, but possible.
 
nfty9er said:
Extreme inside left english. Looks pretty easy to go 3 rails and get up table for the 5.
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That's the easy and obvious way, they are looking for something harder, lol!

unknownpro
 
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