How do you know you need an Aiming System?

[BC21]

I wasn't even thinking about you so much when I made the post, I was thinking about all the other knockers of CTE. What if you had that many over the length of a decade or more? Wouldn't it at some point just get to the point of disgusting.

Best thing for you to do is stay totally out of comparisons personally. Let your own product do the talking and others for it. We try to do the talking for what we know works, and look what happens. WHY? It's DISGUSTIING with the attacks.

As far as comparisons go, I'm not going to make it between CTE and Poolology because there is none, especially as far as the entire process is applied to make balls.

But yours is very much like Joe Tucker's aiming system. The difference is between fractions to shoot at with yours vs. contact points with his. He was the first one to come up with a grid for all the possibilities of OB placement on the table and the CB placement on the table.
It can all be done without the grid by enough practice to learn it for yourself just to be able to see which number contact point on both balls should be used when shooting. Or it can be done by learning the ball placement on the grid.

That can be quite overwhelming to think it needs to be learned when first seen. If it is learned, the shot is almost automatically seen and known in a flash, but it is a biatch to put all of it into the memory bank. Same as yours.

Yes, a decade of defense would be exhausting. I only defend my book when a post is completely fabricated pertaining to the material in the book. A lie should be put straight. It is not a lie for someone to say, "I don't get it", or for someone to ask questions about certain aspects of the system. I try to respond to those posts in a professional manner, no need to disparage a user for asking legitimate questions when there are legitimate answers.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

It is not a lie for someone to say, "I don't get it", or for someone to ask questions about certain aspects of the system.

Correct. But wouldn't you agree it should come from someone who purchased the book and at least gave it a good shot instead of a person who looked at it without spending much time on the table or not purchased the book at all?

How can you even be on the same wave length to get through if it's second hand information or from supplementary videos on youtube without the basic fundamentals of the system and working at it?

I try to respond to those posts in a professional manner, no need to disparage a user for asking legitimate questions when there are legitimate answers.

Again, agreed based on my response above.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

To answer the original question...

Aiming systems seem most likely to be of use if you are a combination of 1) nervous and 2) analytical. An aiming system is like a pre-shot routine on crack, which one could argue could be useful for people who are prone to psych themselves out on the table. The system can get the excitable player through to a successful shot by sheer distraction.

However it seems unlikely that anyone in the normal range of have trouble pulling the trigger vs. fast/loose, and feel player vs. analytical player, would be helped more by learning elaborate aiming/pivoting routines than by practice on fundamental stroke and position play.

And clearly anyone who has little trouble confidently addressing/playing the ball and tends to play by feel would be worse off using a rigid aiming system.

Since golf has been mentioned in this thread, wouldn't everything you said above have the same meaning and application?

Do you know if PGA tour players "aim" when striking shots off the tee or fairway as well as putting on the greens?

 

[skip100]

Since golf has been mentioned in this thread, wouldn't everything you said above have the same meaning and application?

Do you know if PGA tour players "aim" when striking shots off the tee or fairway as well as putting on the greens?

In putting, players tend to see the line in either curves or straight lines. Mike Shannon does a really cool example in his putting lessons where he tells people to aim at a spot on a medium-length breaking putt. In the initial diagnostic I was unable to do it because I subconsciously saw the path of the putt as a curve and aimed the exact amount of the putt's break outside the target point.

Of course, the key complicating factor in aim and alignment in golf is due to the fact that you are standing parallel to the aiming line, not on top of it. It's easy even for pro golfers to be lined up incorrectly because you are looking across the aiming line, from an angle. You'll routinely see Tour pros on the range at tournaments working with their teachers on alignment and stance.

By comparison, aiming in pool is easy as pie.

That said, there are no aiming systems in golf. You just try to get your body lined up as close to possible to parallel to the shot line, compensating for expected draw or fade if necessary.

 

[BC21]

In putting, players tend to see the line in either curves or straight lines. Mike Shannon does a really cool example in his putting lessons where he tells people to aim at a spot on a medium-length breaking putt. In the initial diagnostic I was unable to do it because I subconsciously saw the path of the putt as a curve and aimed the exact amount of the putt's break outside the target point.

Of course, the key complicating factor in aim and alignment in golf is due to the fact that you are standing parallel to the aiming line, not on top of it. It's easy even for pro golfers to be lined up incorrectly because you are looking across the aiming line, from an angle. You'll routinely see Tour pros on the range at tournaments working with their teachers on alignment and stance.

By comparison, aiming in pool is easy as pie.

That said, there are no aiming systems in golf. You just try to get your body lined up as close to possible to parallel to the shot line, compensating for expected draw or fade if necessary.

Big LIKE button!:thumbup:

I've had a few golf lessons, and the "aiming" for shots is always off in the distance, either a specific point in a put line, or a tree or other focal point out in the fairway on the shot trajectory line. Striking the ball is part of the swing mechanics, not part of aiming. That's all related to stance and a predetermined target. It sure is tougher than pool because about every golf shot is a downward strike along the back of the ball from top to bottom. Simply line up properly to your target (aim), and then swing. It sounds so easy when I say it like that, but it's only easy for those who do it often enough to make it easy! Lol

 

[Bobkitty]

In putting, players tend to see the line in either curves or straight lines. Mike Shannon does a really cool example in his putting lessons where he tells people to aim at a spot on a medium-length breaking putt. In the initial diagnostic I was unable to do it because I subconsciously saw the path of the putt as a curve and aimed the exact amount of the putt's break outside the target point.

Of course, the key complicating factor in aim and alignment in golf is due to the fact that you are standing parallel to the aiming line, not on top of it. It's easy even for pro golfers to be lined up incorrectly because you are looking across the aiming line, from an angle. You'll routinely see Tour pros on the range at tournaments working with their teachers on alignment and stance.

By comparison, aiming in pool is easy as pie.

That said, there are no aiming systems in golf. You just try to get your body lined up as close to possible to parallel to the shot line, compensating for expected draw or fade if necessary.

That is exactly why I started putting "side saddle" a la Sam Snead, except with a long putter. I could use binocular vision with eyes exactly over the ball/line. KJ Choy used this method briefly and I thought they would all eventually switch, but so far it hasn't caught on. But, when we pitch pennies, we stand facing the target with binocular vision and NOT sideways like the conventional putting stance. In my opinion, that proves it's a superior way to putt. (How did we get on this)? I'll expect the butt chewing from Spidy (King AZB BS detector(self appointed)).

 

[skip100]

Side saddle hasn't caught on because the advantage you get from being on top of the aim line is counteracted by the awkward, unnatural stroke. Long putts from the side-saddle position are very hard to get right.

Although in reality, the reason most people don't try it is that it looks weird.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

That is exactly why I started putting "side saddle" a la Sam Snead, except with a long putter. I could use binocular vision with eyes exactly over the ball/line. KJ Choy used this method briefly and I thought they would all eventually switch, but so far it hasn't caught on. But, when we pitch pennies, we stand facing the target with binocular vision and NOT sideways like the conventional putting stance. In my opinion, that proves it's a superior way to putt. (How did we get on this)? I'll expect the butt chewing from Spidy (King AZB BS detector(self appointed)).

For somebody who claims to also be a low handicap golfer, you should have been able to answer Skip100 better about aiming in golf when he said there's "no aiming system" in golf. Of course there is and each and every PGA pro is meticulous with it for each and every shot with their driver and fairway woods as well as irons and they all do the same thing.

Either you know what they do or you don't know what they do. Please explain it fully to HIM. Lets see if you know more about golf than you do about pool even though you make claims which can't be substantiated even by you. Impress me with your knowledge.

As far as your side saddle putting goes, you "might" be 100% illegal. The USGA just recently came down on Bryson Dechambeau and made him stop doing it. He tried a different version that did conform but couldn't putt worth a damn http://www.golfdigest.com/story/rep...-being-told-it-was-non-conforming-by-the-usga

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Side saddle hasn't caught on because the advantage you get from being on top of the aim line is counteracted by the awkward, unnatural stroke. Long putts from the side-saddle position are very hard to get right.

Although in reality, the reason most people don't try it is that it looks weird.

Most would certainly agree with this in addition to a whole new learning curve for a feel in speed and distance.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

That said, there are no aiming systems in golf. You just try to get your body lined up as close to possible to parallel to the shot line, compensating for expected draw or fade if necessary.

Nope. Try again. What do pros AIM at to get their body and club set in the right direction?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Simply line up properly to your target (aim), and then swing.

You've come the closest so far. At least you used the correct word to go along with setting up. (AIM) But how? Describe it.

 

[cookie man]

1. no, I would play for the going table stakes, as i watch him play, if i can detect he's better, I'll move on to another table or go home.
2. The pro I play is for $10 in a race to 7 ro 9 on a 9' tight Diamond table. I count it as a lesson watching him play. Plus I like him and don't mind contributing to a struggling pro.
3. You have no idea how I play. Your statement tells me you've probably left the pool room (or golf course) broke many times.

1. so you have no heart to play anyone decent, you just prey on the non-players.
2. You aren't learning anything except how to play when you can't win, a losers mentality is all you are learning. My advice, just buy a beer and watch him practice, then buy him dinner and pick his brain. OR. Get him to give you a spot to make it competitive, much much better for both of you. Then you both have to play to win and you will learn much more that way.
3. Yea i've lost a few and admit it, unlike most on here who never lose. But i've won a few also. I like beating the better players who exhibit the signs of no heart, they choke and make it easier on me. They choke just about every time, but they also pull up easily so you can't make big scores against most of them. I'd rather play then take my balls and go home.

 

[skip100]

For somebody who claims to also be a low handicap golfer, you should have been able to answer Skip100 better about aiming in golf when he said there's "no aiming system" in golf. Of course there is and each and every PGA pro is meticulous with it for each and every shot with their driver and fairway woods as well as irons and they all do the same thing.

Either you know what they do or you don't know what they do. Please explain it fully to HIM. Lets see if you know more about golf than you do about pool even though you make claims which can't be substantiated even by you. Impress me with your knowledge.

As far as your side saddle putting goes, you "might" be 100% illegal. The USGA just recently came down on Bryson Dechambeau and made him stop doing it. He tried a different version that did conform but couldn't putt worth a damn http://www.golfdigest.com/story/rep...-being-told-it-was-non-conforming-by-the-usga

DeChambeau's stroke was not declared non-conforming. The putter was.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

DeChambeau's stroke was not declared non-conforming. The putter was.

I know, it was in the article. He was using a center shafted putter which was illegal.
A heel shafted putter wasn't, which he tried in another tournament. He missed the cut and side saddle went bye-bye.

What would have been declared illegal in the stroke is if he had the putter anchored against his body as he stroked it

Try again about AIMING in the full swing as well as putting. There is AIMING.

 

[Bobkitty]

For somebody who claims to also be a low handicap golfer, you should have been able to answer Skip100 better about aiming in golf when he said there's "no aiming system" in golf. Of course there is and each and every PGA pro is meticulous with it for each and every shot with their driver and fairway woods as well as irons and they all do the same thing.

Either you know what they do or you don't know what they do. Please explain it fully to HIM. Lets see if you know more about golf than you do about pool even though you make claims which can't be substantiated even by you. Impress me with your knowledge.

As far as your side saddle putting goes, you "might" be 100% illegal. The USGA just recently came down on Bryson Dechambeau and made him stop doing it. He tried a different version that did conform but couldn't putt worth a damn http://www.golfdigest.com/story/rep...-being-told-it-was-non-conforming-by-the-usga

The only aiming (system) I know of in golf is establish perfect alignment. The shoulders, hips, feet should be aligned to the left of the target a la railroad tracks (for a right handed player). All golfers must work hard on their alignment because the natural thing is to become closed. Without the training, Almost all golfers will naturally stand closed and then swing across themselves.

The only putting rules I know of are that both feet must be on the same side of a line from ball to hole and that the putter can not be anchored against the body. My side saddle style did not violate either. Putting was always my worst stroke in golf and out of desperation, I had to find something.

 

[Bobkitty]

1. so you have no heart to play anyone decent, you just prey on the non-players.
2. You aren't learning anything except how to play when you can't win, a losers mentality is all you are learning. My advice, just buy a beer and watch him practice, then buy him dinner and pick his brain. OR. Get him to give you a spot to make it competitive, much much better for both of you. Then you both have to play to win and you will learn much more that way.
3. Yea i've lost a few and admit it, unlike most on here who never lose. But i've won a few also. I like beating the better players who exhibit the signs of no heart, they choke and make it easier on me. They choke just about every time, but they also pull up easily so you can't make big scores against most of them. I'd rather play then take my balls and go home.

Okay, I won't argue with you. Some have the gambler's brain and get better with pressure and some don't. I assume you're saying you do and you hope to find the ones that don't. Fine.
I do get a spot from the professional that I play occasionally, He gives me the break and ball in hand to start. I can hold my own with this spot on the 7' Diamond tables in a race to 7 but not the tight 9' Diamond. It's a lot of fun playing him and he gives me pointers after the game is over. I can afford to lose $10.
I made a nice living and nice retirement doing what I did so don't need to win money playing pool. To each their own.

 

[Bobkitty]

Side saddle hasn't caught on because the advantage you get from being on top of the aim line is counteracted by the awkward, unnatural stroke. Long putts from the side-saddle position are very hard to get right.

Although in reality, the reason most people don't try it is that it looks weird.

Yes, prepare for a lot of scoffs until the first 20' putt is sunk. I got pretty good at it and it was a lot of fun to putt this way.

 

[Renegade_56]

It is obvious you have never seen the Poolology book. You have no clue what you are talking about. There is no guesswork.

The more you belittle Poolology, and me personally, the more clueless you appear.

If anyone thinks they can look at a pool ball several feet away and determine exactly where to hit another ball into in for a 3/8 or 1/4 ball hit without an element of guesswork in my opinion, is are full of it. I did buy the book and while the theory may or may not be accurate is irrelevant to me. You still have to see the portions accurately to use it accurately, which is were I personally saw a break down. One could argue that CTE users have the same argument because they have to see fractions to determine their perception of the shot. I do use CTE, and for me it's much more accurate. The reason is that in CTE I don't use the fraction for an aiming point, it is for the perception. The target is not at a fraction of a ball, it's the cueball, every shot. Determine the perception, step into the shot, and aim at the cueball. So to me, it's easier and more accurate. This is not an attack on anyone, it's just what my experience has taught me. I'm sure both systems can be helpful to someone.

 

[Bobkitty]

You've come the closest so far. At least you used the correct word to go along with setting up. (AIM) But how? Describe it.

Most players use the Jack Nicklaus method of finding an off color blade of grass, leaf, something that is on the line a few feet out from the ball. That is what I always used. Then I worked hard on alignment. Diverging parallel lines. In other words, the feet, hips, shoulders should point 25 yards left for the drive (right hand golfer).

 

[skip100]

Most players use the Jack Nicklaus method of finding an off color blade of grass, leaf, something that is on the line a few feet out from the ball. That is what I always used. Then I worked hard on alignment. Diverging parallel lines. In other words, the feet, hips, shoulders should point 25 yards left for the drive (right hand golfer).

I'm not sure why you are humoring this line of questioning. He's just going to keep berating and baiting you until you agree with him.