How does Bergman Woodward Olson avoid getting caught in the US trap?

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Those young players I mentioned can be world beaters
I mean there basically already there in the US
Bergman arguably second best to svb right now
Sky looks like he stepping out of the bar table shadows and trying his luck
Olson is still long way behind but has talent

How do these players avoid getting caught in the trap like dechaine corey Oscar etc of where they don't travel therefore don't test themselves and get left behind ?

Bergman beat morra in tar match few years ago but look at morra rise ?
Morra had lots of high profile second place finishes and dismantled Oscar in action recently

How do these kids avoid becoming the inevitable American understudy to Svb ?
 
That's a solid and well-reasoned post.

To some extent, you answered your own question.

Since he was about 18, John Morra has played the fullest possible international schedule and his pedigree has grown and grown because of it.

This year, to the best of my knowledge, he is playing in the WPA events, the US Open, the Turning Stone events, the Steinway Classic, the Derby City Classic, Super Billiards Expo, the Bigfoot 10-ball, and his general excellence has earned him inclusion in both the World Pool Masters and the World Cup of Pool.

Of our American players, only Shane mixes it up with the world's most elite players as often as John Morra. The four 20-somethings worth getting excited about in American pool are, in order, Dechaine, Hall, Bergman and Woodward, but none of them compete enough against the world's most elite
and it has and will continue to cost them.

We all know that the economics of participation are tough, but most of the top Europeans have always found a way to make ends meet, and more than a few of them without any Olympic money or national sponsorship.

How do they avoid getting caught in the US trap? Simple, the avoid it by getting out there and competing against the toughest fields in the world as often as possible. You know, like Morra did!
 
I see 2 options.

1. Option 1. Basically turn pool into a 9 to 5 job. Eat sleep practice well. Live in a suitcase, try to beat the top top players day in and day out traveling around the globe.. If you somehow do, you might make 100k a year. If you dont, you might lose money. This is what Shane does.

2. Option 2. Make your own schedule, do whatever you want, sleep in, practice when you feel like it, golf when you want. Sleep in your own bed most of the time. Beat good/top players in tourneys and gambling and you probably make 60k a year.

My numbers may be a bit off but the point is there. I sure know if I was 20 yrs old I would pick option 2 anyday.

Every hear the commentators ask any american player besides Shane "heard you are gonna take a few weeks off and fish"?

This is all my opinion.
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sjm said:
That's a solid and well-reasoned post.

To some extent, you answered your own question.

Since he was about 18, John Morra has played the fullest possible international schedule and his pedigree has grown and grown because of it.

This year, to the best of my knowledge, he is playing in the WPA events, the US Open, the Turning Stone events, the Steinway Classic, the Derby City Classic, Super Billiards Expo, the Bigfoot 10-ball, and his general excellence has earned him inclusion in both the World Pool Masters and the World Cup of Pool.

Of our American players, only Shane mixes it up with the world's most elite players as often as John Morra. The four 20-somethings worth getting excited about in American pool are, in order, Dechaine, Hall, Bergman and Woodward, but none of them compete enough against the world's most elite
and it has and will continue to cost them.

We all know that the economics of participation are tough, but most of the top Europeans have always found a way to make ends meet, and more than a few of them without any Olympic money or national sponsorship.

How do they avoid getting caught in the US trap? Simple, the avoid it by getting out there and competing against the toughest fields in the world as often as possible. You know, like Morra did!
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iwould agree with that line up

bergman at least seems to be tryin to get to most ifnot all the american events to keep his place on the mosconi

i mean if you look at the mosconi cup ranking points any pro player who attends all the events is basically guaranteed a spot

can you imagine the experience morra has gotten playn in all the world 9 ball events world cup of pool china open phillipines 10 ball etc

albin ouschan is the same
he has travellede around and for 2-3 years wasnt getting in the top and now its paying off

hope bergman and sky take the chance as they naturally look like the ones with most ability to me
 
I cannot possibly comprehend how many things are wrong with this post. we are all dumber for having read it. i award you no greenies, and may god have mercy on your soul


actionplayer said:
Those young players I mentioned can be world beaters
I mean there basically already there in the US
Bergman arguably second best to svb right now
Sky looks like he stepping out of the bar table shadows and trying his luck
Olson is still long way behind but has talent

How do these players avoid getting caught in the trap like dechaine corey Oscar etc of where they don't travel therefore don't test themselves and get left behind ?

Bergman beat morra in tar match few years ago but look at morra rise ?
Morra had lots of high profile second place finishes and dismantled Oscar in action recently

How do these kids avoid becoming the inevitable American understudy to Svb ?
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FASTEDDIE427 said:
I cannot possibly comprehend how many things are wrong with this post. we are all dumber for having read it. i award you no greenies, and may god have mercy on your soul
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Interesting that you make such a vague post.

Humor us "dumber" readers,what is so wrong?

I agree original post is lacking in clarity!:wink:
 
actionplayer said:
Those young players I mentioned can be world beaters
I mean there basically already there in the US
Bergman arguably second best to svb right now
Sky looks like he stepping out of the bar table shadows and trying his luck
Olson is still long way behind but has talent

How do these players avoid getting caught in the trap like dechaine corey Oscar etc of where they don't travel therefore don't test themselves and get left behind ?

Bergman beat morra in tar match few years ago but look at morra rise ?
Morra had lots of high profile second place finishes and dismantled Oscar in action recently

How do these kids avoid becoming the inevitable American understudy to Svb ?
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JM is a pro's pro he has a great work ethic , playes in every event he can no matter what or where or who and does so in a very professional manner he's a class act and the model to follow

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FASTEDDIE427 said:
I cannot possibly comprehend how many things are wrong with this post. we are all dumber for having read it. i award you no greenies, and may god have mercy on your soul
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Well when you don't get it you don't get it , Corey could have been SVB or possibly better if he applied himself as Shane does . Oscar a very talented young man has not put in the work or playing abroad same as Bergman who seems to have picked his pace up some
Sky with his new sponsor and cue line is the player who I'd watch out for in future with JM ,, in fact he should hook on to his belt loop for reasons I already explained

Which brings me to MD i think he's taken a couple steps backward he's been knocked out by 2 part time players in Hatch and Brian Deska and has not even entered in other big events ,
He might be able to get under Shane's skin with his antics but if he can't he's got Zero chance of beating him ,, in fact out of the players mentioned given the same race same table I got him no better 5th

So the person who started the thread is asking how do stop these young guys from taking 2 steps forward then 3 steps back

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Baxter said:
Since when does Oscar not play internationally? Dude goes to China all the time.
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He's played in some , I don't realy think he's the example I would use he's still pretty young and he does play a lot but not aboad as JM


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actionplayer said:
Those young players I mentioned can be world beaters
I mean there basically already there in the US
Bergman arguably second best to svb right now
Sky looks like he stepping out of the bar table shadows and trying his luck
Olson is still long way behind but has talent

How do these players avoid getting caught in the trap like dechaine corey Oscar etc of where they don't travel therefore don't test themselves and get left behind ?

Bergman beat morra in tar match few years ago but look at morra rise ?
Morra had lots of high profile second place finishes and dismantled Oscar in action recently

How do these kids avoid becoming the inevitable American understudy to Svb ?
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They have to go through Dechaine before they can get to SVB.
 
PhilosopherKing said:
They have to go through Dechaine before they can get to SVB.
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Actualy Sky has already thumped Shane on the BB , MDs next match so he needs to beat Shane to get to Sky and I would highly suggest to him he do that quick cause it won't be long before Sky will beat him in any game

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one stroke said:
Actualy Sky has already thumped Shane on the BB , MDs next match so he needs to beat Shane to get to Sky and I would highly suggest to him he do that quick cause it won't be long before Sky will beat him in any game

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I think Oscar beats dechaine right now
Oscar playing all the the time against good competition on mezz tour and in plenty of action
 
actionplayer said:
I think Oscar beats dechaine right now
Oscar playing all the the time against good competition on mezz tour and in plenty of action
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I don't think Oscar even gets close. To my knowledge, the last time the both showed up to the same big table event was at the Super Billiards Expo 10-ball. Dechaine was 4th, Oscar was 17th.
 
sjm said:
I don't think Oscar even gets close. To my knowledge, the last time the both showed up to the same big table event was at the Super Billiards Expo 10-ball. Dechaine was 4th, Oscar was 17th.
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Ye ten ball MD favorite
I like Oscar 8 or 9 ball
 
actionplayer said:
Ye ten ball MD favorite
I like Oscar 8 or 9 ball
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The ultimate test of 9-ball in America is the US Open 9-ball. In 2014, Dechaine came 4th, Oscar didn't cash.

Mike's 9-ball (with breakbox) advantage is just as big as in 10-ball.
 
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Oscar is playing Bergman later this month in Vegas. 10 ball in the pit at Good Timez. Race to 80 for 20k. This should be a good indication of where Oscar is standing in the US rankings. He got outplayed last time they matched up. Oscar will turn around the next day and run it again against Skyler in a race to 100 9 ball for 10k on the same table. One thing is for sure, say what you want about Oscar but no one can ever question his heart.
 
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Baxter said:
Oscar is playing Bergman later this month in Vegas. 10 ball in the pit at Good Timez. Race to 80 for 20k. This should be a good indication of where Oscar is standing in the US rankings. He got outplayed last time they matched up. Oscar will turn around the next day and run it again against Skyler in a race to 100 9 ball for 10k on the same table. One thing is for sure, say what you want about Oscar but no one can ever question his heart.
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I thought Justin and Oscar broke even last time they played… with Oscar winning the 10 ball and Justin winning the 8 ball?
 
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