How foul a foul?

galipeau said:
Lol, I'm glad you posted this. I'm almost 100% certain that it was me the OP was playing yesterday because the same exact situation happened when I was playing on my lunch break. This video is where I got the idea for the hook from.

Some of the posts in this thread are a little over the top. It wasn't a money game, so I wasn't bothered too much. I think the OP realized it was just lazy pool playing after he did it. When I pointed it out that it might count as more than just a normal foul in any other setting than a casual game, he seemed to agree. I would have no problems playing the OP again for the record, he was a cool guy.
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Great attitude here. However, dropping the cueball onto a cluster is a loss of game. Hopefully the OP has learned that.
 
IMO, loss of game. Every shot is made with your cue tip making contact with the cue ball... I always think of the table as 'live', meaning if you move any ball with hands or cue shaft, clothing, that's a foul. Dropping the rock with your hand?... not cool.

Now in a friendly, if your opponent happens to brush a ball with his clothing, etc., we just agree to move the ball back to where it was.

Think your way out of the trap, or accept you got three fouled and move on... check the above linked video.
 
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3andstop said:
To do what you did IMO opens a broader discussion regarding your childhood and up bringing, or perhaps drug consumption issues, and I'm not kidding.

99.9 % of people wouldn't even think of that, let alone do it. You have a wire loose. You can't realize it because the very wire that is loose is preventing you from realizing it.

I hope telling you allows for motivation to seek a mental electrician.
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Now that's some funny stuff right there! Let's put your theory to the test shall we... I had a happy childhood, two parents, free from need or abuse, have never used drugs, and by never I mean never, not even a single puff of a cigarette. So, it would appear that your mind-reading skills are not nearly what you presume them to be. Perhaps you have a wire loose? I'm not a qualified 'mental electrician' however, so it's just a guess...

Thanks to others for the sane replies. Am fairly new to the game and had no idea that I was committing such a sin. That's why I asked...
 
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galipeau said:
Lol, I'm glad you posted this. I'm almost 100% certain that it was me the OP was playing yesterday because the same exact situation happened when I was shooting around on my lunch break. This video is where I got the idea for the hook from.

Some of the posts in this thread are a little over the top. It wasn't a money game, so I wasn't bothered too much. I think the OP realized it was just lazy pool playing after he did it. When I pointed it out that it might count as more than just a normal foul in any other setting than a casual game, he seemed to agree. I would have no problems playing the OP again for the record, he was a cool guy.
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Hey Ian, Glad you came across this thread. My biggest regret is that I denied myself the opportunity to make an amazing shot. Oh well, I'm sure you'll give me another chance some day :-P
 
3andstop said:
To do what you did IMO opens a broader discussion regarding your childhood and up bringing, or perhaps drug consumption issues, and I'm not kidding.

99.9 % of people wouldn't even think of that, let alone do it. You have a wire loose. You can't realize it because the very wire that is loose is preventing you from realizing it.

I hope telling you allows for motivation to seek a mental electrician.
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Wow.

Bitterman...What is the matter, did you have a sibling who was killed by an unsportsmanlike foul?

Seriously, he didn't know that it was as bad as it is. I would stop playing with him if he did it a second time, but it doesn't mean he is clinically insane.
 
3andstop said:
Well now ... that's not true. There are levels of fouls, levels which include loss of game from unsportsmanlike conduct fouls. maybe even forfeiture of an entire match.

Those fouls obviously carry a much harsher penalty than ball in hand. So a fouls isn't a foul, isn't a foul.

And if someone pulled that crap in my poolroom during a tournament instead of casual play, the penalty would include get the fk out and don't come back. Waddia think about that foul?
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Aren't there some kids on your lawn you can go scream at?
 
tc in l a said:
After this discussion I think many of us now realize there are levels of fouls and this was more serious than the op originally thought (or didn't think).

As for kicking out a customer, maybe instead a teachable moment to someone who might not have the experience you do or, an opportunity to set some expectations for someone in a different situation.

Best to you
Tony C
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.......... never mind. Maybe there are people that lost. Forget what I wrote. I'm going to check my lawn.
 
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LOL, super arrogant when someone knows they may have done something wrong, and asks people about it later. That's self awareness, the exact opposite of arrogance.
 
3andstop said:
Well now ... that's not true. There are levels of fouls, levels which include loss of game from unsportsmanlike conduct fouls. maybe even forfeiture of an entire match.

Those fouls obviously carry a much harsher penalty than ball in hand. So a fouls isn't a foul, isn't a foul.

And if someone pulled that crap in my poolroom during a tournament instead of casual play, the penalty would include get the fk out and don't come back. Waddia think about that foul?
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I think you might be overreacting.

Would you take a different position if the fouler was in his first event and geninuinely didn't know?
 
What i learned from this thread is that there are in fact different level of fouls.

1) Ball in hand
2) Loss of single game
3) Loss of match
4) Ejection from tournament/venue
5) Mandatory counselling for being a drug addled loser with crap parents (who is too broken to realize it)

I hope there is no number 6.
 
galipeau said:
LOL, super arrogant when someone knows they may have done something wrong, and asks people about it later. That's self awareness, the exact opposite of arrogance.
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That's how you see it. I think he wants more attention. Nobody is dumb enough to hold a CB over a group of balls on a pool table, in the middle of a game, and drop the ball through the sky to land on the game balls.

But it does seem from this thread that there are people dumb enough to think there are people dumb enough to do this thinking its proper play.

Although generationally speaking, we are breeding more idiots than ever before, so from the perspective of that new normal, I suppose it could be just fine.

Good thing the future brain surgeon thought of that instead of tipping the table over, huh?
 
3andstop said:
That's how you see it. I think he wants more attention. Nobody is dumb enough to hold a CB over a group of balls on a pool table, in the middle of a game, and drop the ball through the sky to land on the game balls.

But it does seem from this thread that there are people dumb enough to think there are people dumb enough to do this thinking its proper play.

Although generationally speaking, we are breeding more idiots than ever before, so from the perspective of that new normal, I suppose it could be just fine.

Good thing the future brain surgeon thought of that instead of tipping the table over, huh?
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I was thinking future lawyer or politician, looking for the loophole in the rules
 
Rules and what is right...

Maybe it's my age and the fact that I shoot pool for fun that gives me my out look on pool or other competitions. I like to win as much as the next guy, but I want to do it by playing better then my opponent. If I can't win that way then I don't deserve to win.

I think what you did was wrong and you should of forfeited the game for unsportsmanship behavior. I also think you should apologize and tell who ever you were playing you were wrong.

Treat your pool game with respect and beat your opponent with your skill with your cue. I think you will get more fun and satisfaction out of pool if you have this out look.

Best wishes!
 
Patrick Johnson said:
WPA Rules

6.16 Unsportsmanlike Conduct
The normal penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct is the same as for a serious foul, but the referee may impose a penalty depending on his judgment of the conduct. Among other penalties possible are a warning; a standard-foul penalty, which will count as part of a three-foul sequence if applicable; a serious-foul penalty; loss of a rack, set or match; ejection from the competition possibly with forfeiture of all prizes, trophies and standings points.
Unsportsmanlike conduct is any intentional behavior that brings disrepute to the sport or which disrupts or changes the game to the extent that it cannot be played fairly. It includes
(a) distracting the opponent;
(b) changing the position of the balls in play other than by a shot;
(c) playing a shot by intentionally miscuing;
(d) continuing to play after a foul has been called or play has been suspended;
(e) practicing during a match;
(f) marking the table;
(g) delay of the game; and
(h) using equipment inappropriately.
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I think it is odd how many players ask for rule opinions instead of reading the rules. I've seen pros do the same thing and I don't understand why going to the rules is about the last thing they would do to answer a rules question.

Sometimes a rule can be difficult to apply to a given situation, but there's nothing unclear about (b) above.
 
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