How good did Tony Annigoni really play?

Wasn't Jack Cooney from CA also?

I read "Playing off the Rail" a while back. It's a great book, and I heard that Tony was a real strong 9-ball player. In the book it mentions his straight pool run, and it was around 140 IIRC, not 200. That's still pretty damn strong. Alot of parts in the book are true, but there are a few that David McCumber just made up. For example, in the tournament at Hard Times where it says Tony took 2nd place, it says he beat Ernesto in that tournament. Tony never beat him.
 
8ballEinstein said:
In his day he would have been in the top ten in California, behind Davenport, Mc Cready, Swanson and maybe Brienza.

UH...... not close............ Many others like Cole, Florence, Allen, Searcy and on and on and on...................
 
3andstop said:
Hmm, I've never read the book Playing off the Rail, but I was thinking about buying a copy.

I was under the impression the book was an actual account of a real road trip.

What's the story with this book, is it a fiction book or a documentary?
I think you'll really enjoy the book it is a good read. There's a chapter about his stop in Chicago and everthing he mentions about the Chicago Billiard Cafe is true. I was there and can vouch for it. Philw
 
OK, it is confirmed. Tony Annigoni was not a top ten player in California. I am familiar with all the other names that were mentioned and most would have liked it against Tony. After 20 years, the memory gets a little foggy.
 
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The book never claimed Tony to be one of the best in California but he did play strong
if you guys remember when dateline NBC did the story on him the showed him beating paez with the 8 ball case game ..

So I guess he was a ball below some of the top Cali players

He just has so much on his plate right now he doesn't have time to play that much anymore like he use too.

His best games were snooker and straight pool and he does hate one pocket ..
 
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bud green said:
The story about Louie is absolutely correct. He was backed by "Kamikazee Bob" for the dough so I don't blame you for crying "bullsh!t" if you knew Louie. The table they played on was absolutely horrible; bucket pockets and it rolled out real bad. It actually was a tv table for accu-stats sometimes that year. Tony was laughing and saying he was getting the best rolls of his life; he must of made at least 3 or 4 nine balls on the break out of only about 15-20 games. This was back when Earl would run 5or 6 packs left and right on those joke tables. Archer beat Varner 13-1 that year and missed maybe one or two shots it felt like. New cloth and 5" pockets- these guys were running out like crazy.

Bob lost 10 of 11 sets for $2K each to a player from Sacramento getting the 7 in nine ball the right before that. Bad night. He was with a 50-ish blonde gal who might of owned a "cat house" in Nevada somewhere according to some other sweater so it might not of even been his money.

I watched both matches- it was the first time I ever saw pros play and it was pretty damn cool to see Archer,Varner, Bustamente,etc.. back when the Sands (Reno) drew more of the top talent in pool. It happened in the early 90's and I just chilled and drank free Heinekens the whole time Bob lost $23k. I haven't seen any action even close to that since. The guy who won actually gave Bob a business card in case he wanted to play some other time.

"Boy George" from Sac did an absolute perfect job of getting the $$ that night. Easily the best job of hustling I've ever personally seen.


boy george? there's a guy that comes around stockton that people call boy george. looks sorta like a burnt out meth addict, who doesn't play so good. sloppy possitioin lot of wild banking. heard he's known for not payin when he loses.

the same boy george?
 
poolplayer2093 said:
boy george? there's a guy that comes around stockton that people call boy george. looks sorta like a burnt out meth addict, who doesn't play so good. sloppy possitioin lot of wild banking. heard he's known for not payin when he loses.

the same boy george?
That sounds exactly like the same guy.
 
thebigdog said:
John I have never seen you play, although I have heard stories about you. I used to play one pocket with your old road partner Paul (hangs out at Broken Rack in Emeryville) he has told me a lot of stories about you back in the day. Did you ever play in Stockton back in the 60's and 70's? My Grandpa is Frank Boyce and he used to own the pool hall there back in those days.

I have played in Stockton, but never went there until the late 70's when I would go from San Jose to Stockton to Sacramento & then back to San Jose. Abel owned Boyce's when I used to go there. There also used to be a Mexican pool room downtown that had a couple of 6 x 12's that Danny Cano tortured me on. John Henderson
 
so is that guy a meth addict or what. last time i saw him he mentioned somethign about not having slept in 3 days
 
jrhendy said:
I have played in Stockton, but never went there until the late 70's when I would go from San Jose to Stockton to Sacramento & then back to San Jose. Abel owned Boyce's when I used to go there. There also used to be a Mexican pool room downtown that had a couple of 6 x 12's that Danny Cano tortured me on. John Henderson

DC could move real good on the 12' box, i watched him beat alot of people in Boyce's in Stockton, His brother Nick played good in tournments in Modesto.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
boy george? there's a guy that comes around stockton that people call boy george. looks sorta like a burnt out meth addict, who doesn't play so good. sloppy possitioin lot of wild banking. heard he's known for not payin when he loses.

the same boy george?


is he 6'2" tall? he is a *****, there isnt enough room in the world for me and him.
 
Walt Frazier said:
I've seen the guy in person once..but I've never seen him hit a ball..all of the "in the know" pool-detectives..and old-timers..all say that the real Tony Annigoni could get the seven ball from the Annigoni from "playing off the rail"..

They say he was a decent short-stop at best..nothing like the straight-shooter in the fiction book...

I don't know the truth, so I thought I'd start this thread about Annigoni..

Who has seen him play?...please speak up.:D

Do they really ALL say this?

Who are all these theys' - and - How would they know?

IMHO you need to learn how to ask more questions if you
want to be a cub reporter.

Dale
 
Fatboy said:
DC could move real good on the 12' box, i watched him beat alot of people in Boyce's in Stockton, His brother Nick played good in tournments in Modesto.
The Cano brothers would take my dad on the road with them when he was just a teenager. They both used to play out at my grandpa's old poolroom back in the day.
 
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I have known Tony since he was in college.I watched Tony play the Ghost, break ball in hand $10.00 a game and never got out,this was San Carlos, CA in the mid-70's. He played Tang Ho and got the eight on his break and the seven ball on Tang's break and Tony could never remember which ball he had to shot to win, he kept coming up short by thinking he had to make the seven ball and he really had to make the eight. I watched him play Lettuce Larry down in Gilroy, Ca. And he dogged his brains out. I have also seen him play really well. You don't know which Tony is going to step up to the table
 
Fatboy said:
DC could move real good on the 12' box, i watched him beat alot of people in Boyce's in Stockton, His brother Nick played good in tournments in Modesto.

Where's Boyce's i live in stockton and i've never heard of it
 
I saw Chris McDonald in Wyoming back in... oh... 1991 or so... he hustled an aquaintance of mine on a bar box... All I can remember is that Chris looked really rough and the bet was $50 with Chris playing one-handed-jack-up. I knew Chris was firing on all cylinders when he jacked-up with the bar cue, shot down the length of the table, fired a ball in the corner and sucked the cueball back for a straight-in leave on the 8 in the side. I also remember my friend making trip after trip to the ATM machine... McDonald was in the top 25 money-wise at the time... I checked in my issue of Billiards Digest that night... He looked like he was one step from homeless.

As an aside: isn't it funny how, no matter how drunk you get... you can always remember your ATM PIN number and enter it at light-speed on the keypad? I have forgotten how to walk and talk, but could still crawl to that machine and get cash out in 10 seconds flat....
 
I've known Tony for over 25 years and first of all, HE CAN PLAY!!!

When he was a youngster in the late 70's and early 80's, Tony was a threat to win or finish high in any West Coast tournament he played in. He was not a big gambler, but preferred to play for more affordable stakes.

Tony was and still is very competitive. As recently as 2-3 years ago, he finished in the top ten at the Sands in Reno. The early posters on this thread were pretty close on rating Tony's speed. He was what we would call a "high speed" shortstop. One who was capable of knocking off a top player from time to time. And he did too.

Tony's best games are 9-Ball and 14.1 He may have been the best 14.1 player on the left coast. I can't think of anyone who was a favorite over him, only Kim may have been able to hang with him. To me Rafael is not a West Coast player. You'd have to go all the way to Seattle and get Dan Louie to find someone who could beat Tony at Straight Pool. And Danny might not like it either.

Playing Off The Rail is a great book and a must read for pool enthusiasts. David McCumber may be the best writer after Walter Tevis to explore the sport of pool. It's a fascinating read with colorful descriptions of many great characters. And Tony did do a lot of gambling for decent money on their road trip together. It helped that he had a flush backer.

As someone else said, Tony is a very bright guy, who has built some nice upscale poolrooms, and has a wide range of knowledge and capabilities that most people have no idea about (like me). He is the brains behind the upsurge in recent years of the USPPA, the pool rating system that may be the best handicap system ever for pool.

Tony visited me at my last poolroom, and gave me some sage advice. He saw all the people coming in and playing for cash, and he told me, "Jay, with a poolroom like this, you're supposed to stay in stroke". At the time, I rarely picked up a cue. After that, I began playing and for the next few years, I was in action several times a week. And was betting as high as 500 a game and played for 50-100 a game almost daily.

On my front table, a very tight Gold Crown where we played the biggest One Pocket games, Tony tried to run 100 balls. This was a very tough table. After three or four tries, his best was an 88. He just shrugged and said that's the best he can do. That was the all time high run on that table.

On one visit he brought Ed Ames down from S.F. with him. I barely knew Ed, but he asked me for a One Hole game. We ended up betting 50 a game, and that big moose could play. But I was tough to beat on my home court and I won a few games, after several hours of back and forth. Ed still asks me to play when I see him, but I am "out of stroke" now.

Tony is a good friend and I always enjoy seeing him. Oh, and one last thing, Tony is one of the only guys who beat me playing Banks on that tough table. We weren't gambling but I was definitely trying to win. Yes, Walt to answer your question. Tony is no pool imposter. He has his pedigree!
 
Its the room on El Dorado downtown

poolplayer2093 said:
Where's Boyce's i live in stockton and i've never heard of it
My Grandpa opened Boyce's in 1966, I believe. Back in those days it was a nice room and had a ton of action. There were a lot of good pool players in Stockton back in those days. My grandpa sold the room in the early 70's and it has gone downhill ever since. The place has changed names many times over the last 20 years, it has gone from being Vietnamese room to Mexican room. But if you ask many of the old timers around Stockton about the pool hall on El Dorado, many of them will still refer to it as Boyce's.
 
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