How has has Pool change since you first started playing it?

CocoboloCowboy

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Was talking to a guy over the weekend who has been playing since the early 60's and we were talking how has Pool, Pool Rooms, Pool Equipment HAS CHANGE since we started playing the game.

My first exposure to Pool was at the Boys Club of America in Miami Florida, about 1954. The Pool tables we like the worst there could be by today stands, the Legs were like Loose Sawhorses, I think they folded under the Table for Storage, there was No Slate, the Tables Bed was CHIP Board, and the Felt was just that Felt. Every-time you pocketed a Ball it sounded like there was a Earth Quake in the room with the sound of Rattling Dishes, or Nick Nacks, as the Ball fell and went down the return.

We had only House Cue, there were warped, and most did have tips,and the tables must have been Bar Box Sized if memory is correct. Kids stood on line to play, and as long as you kept winning the only game we knew, 8 Ball you stay on the table all day, for the next challenger to try and take it away from you. Pool tables always had line of kids waiting to play. Pool was in vogue!

Fast forward to the 60's as a teenager I play at the YMCA in California, and there were real Pool Tables by Brunswick, and the games were much more fun on good equipment with decent house cues! That "Y" was in upscale Glendale, CA!

Fast forward again to the 1970's and it was Bakers in Burbank, and North Hollywood Billiard in North Hollywood, both places just west of LA. This was my first exposure to a REAL POOL ROOM, with nothing but POOL like the guy say in the the Hustler, "Just Pool this is Ames" .

This was the first time I saw big money matches, where guy were winning and loosing a month pay in a night of gambling. The hustlers, and road players came when the Ponies were running at Santa Anita, or Hollywood Park, taking money from the unsuspecting guys who thought they were great, or at the very least better than these strangers. Armadas of Rail Birds sat quietly watching the battle for the GREEN than many night went into the we hours of the morning.

Back then there were no instructional book, VHS's, DVD's, or anything, and most of the better Players would SHARE NOTHING they knew about play Pool better. Most people still were playing with house cue, and if you own your own Cue it was a very big deal.

I never saw a Bar box back than, the tables were all 4.5" x 9.0, or 5' x 10', or 6' x 12'ers. Never heard of a pool league. These places did not serve alcohol, or much food with the exception of maybe a Hot Dog that could be heat up in a Shine Oven with a Hot Light. Pool table time, soft drinks, and snakes time paid the bills.

The 80's came and went and I went in to a work my butt off mode hoping to retire early. Than came the 90's and I played Pool again a couple of time a month, but it was on 4.5" x 9.0' Tables, and there were still a lot of REAL POOL Rooms, but many had started going under, and most Pool was being played in Bars on small tables.

Like I said Pool has change a lot in the years I have playing the game. I hope it survive another 50 years, but it seem to be going out of vogue. People seem to want this fast now, no challenge, and video games, computers, the internet is in vogue.
 
Hmm i started playing in 1986 and the biggest changes i have noticed as far as the game goes is the 9 ball break saga that i believe corey deuel started. And safety play has improved and i believe is more popular since the phillipino players and jump cues have arrived. Oh and kick safes. All in all i believe players are getting smarter you know the great players like efren, corey, have i believe raised the bar so to speak.

I personally think it's been good for the game though. People seem to want to say pool is in the gutter, even i've been guilty of saying it but i've changed the way i look at it and it's not that bad im always looking for the next new champ with something new to offer so we can learn and take the game to another level. Poolplayers may never be millionaires but it is what it is. If you want to be rich then play football, or basketball.
 
Let's see:

1. "Shoot again vs. Ball in Hand"

2. Actual gambling vs. "Stealing of today"

3. Anonimity.

4. Felt, for the most part.

5. Leagues. (Killed action, as far as I'm concerned. Before these, you had to "challenge a good player" rather than coming up on him in league)

6. Spots! Way the fu@# outta line, now.

7. Cues. Hell, everyone makes them now.

8. Meucci. Used to be equated with quality and "being a player."

9. Poolroom ho biz. Man, I miss them.

10. Ability to get robbed. Seems way more dangerous these days.

11. Players in general. Fu@# it. Everyone can run out, now.

12. Internet. Can't even wear a wig and tin foil all over your body and be undercover.

13. Stakehorses. Couldn't the DEA leave the guys alone just long enough to keep action alive?

14. I can't go on. I'm getting an "ulcer attack."
 
Change, what change? You still have to make the balls in the hole! :smile:

The biggest changes I've seen in the last forty plus years is the end of American domination of pool. First it was the filipinos arriving in the 80's and then it was the all the great European players who have come along in the last 10-15 years. The Taiwanese made their presence felt in the 90's as well.

The amateur pool leagues have gotten huge and bar box pool is a big deal now, although there were bar tables in nearly every bar even back in the 60's. Just no organized leagues.

Sadly the prize money for pros has gone sideways. There were more good tournaments for pros in the 70's and 80's and it wasn't that expensive to travel back then. Now, a top pro must travel internationally to play in major events. I hate to say it, but the instance of players not getting paid or paid late is more prevalent today that ever before.

The increase in skill among the women players has been dramatic! There are far more good women players than there were even 15-20 years ago. This one is not even close. The WPBA Tour has created a lot of strong young women players. Hopefully it's not about to fold.

Finally, the growth of the sport internationally. Though it is falling off in popularity in the USA, it's growing exponentially worldwide, most noticeably in Asia, specifically China.
 
I've been playing since the very early 60's and all i can say is that all of the above is true.
 
Now most of the pockets are modified or come smaller in some cases. Years ago the pockets were factory and people didn't mess with them.
 
I first played when i was 15 in 1992. I quit after a year and didn't play again til late 1997 and have been playing since.

What has changed for me is the fun in just playing. Now there is all this pool drama. Handicaps. Spots. Leagues with unknown, crazy ass rules. When i was younger we would just go the the pool hall and play for hours and hours, never even keeping score. Noone does that these days, not even me :(

People don't want to prove anything anymore either, seems the american way is just to say "I'm the best" and never put a cue together. Well guess what, you/we're not. ---- OK SVB has an arguement here !
 
One other thing. In the 60's a poolroom did not have bar tables in it. And most of them had a snooker table or two, and many had a billiard table as well. Almost all gone now!

One other "small" change. It was a dime a game or sixty cents an hour for one player in many rooms back in the 60's. Ninety cents an hour for two players, 1.20 for three and 1.50 for four was also a standard rate.
 
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I started playing as a kid in a backroom of a hotdog diner..the old man
let us play as long as we bought a dog..10 cents..and we would play
8 ball..here again only game in town..for 10 cents..kids could not play
in any public places back then..you had to be 21 to play..this was
1959..then came the 60s and you could go into any bar and play for
at least a drink..or 1 dollar..everyone on the table had the Gambling mind
set..you could go from bar to bar..and make 20-40 dollars a day..lot of
money then..the dollar was worth 90 cents..so it had purchase power..
now you cant find a bar where they play for anything..dollars now worth
23 cents and i think the economy has played a large roll as well..so the
biggest change..the Gambling Mind Set..prior to the 80s you just did not
put a quarter in the table unless you played for cash...and of course..
playing safe and all the rules..back then everyone new the game!!!
 
You are all correct. The game of pool certainly has changed over the years.
When I started playing we used rocks with numbers painted on them. They never seemed to roll very well but lasted forever. If you became hungry during a game you just grabbed a fourteen-ball and chucked it at a passing rabbit.
Mostly we played outdoors but some villiages had the more up-scale underground establishments. Sometimes after a big hunt, me and the boys would go to Joe's Pool and Billiard Cave to celebrate. That's where I met my first mate, Mankiller. One night I crept up behind her and poleaxed her with my hunting cue. It was love at first sight.
Sadly, those days are gone. Now I spend most of my time sitting in a chair with wheels (wheels just came out this year) and listening to the radio. The radio doesn't make any sound of course, because electricity hasn't been invented, but it doesn't seem to matter. I just miss those care-free nights at Joe's. :frown:
 
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Tramp,

I suspect there's visiting hours where you live.:D

Mike


Indeed there are, and on Sundays the staff sets out lemonade and cookies for everbody. Last week I slipped some Quervo into the lemonade and boy you should have seen...
 
Here in the Valley of the Sun, the closetest thing we have to a REAL OLD Style Pool room is Kolby's in Tempe, yes they do sell BEER. BIMHO It is all about Pool, and many of the Best Player gather to play there.

Also down on East McDowell Road is the Lucky Cue, caters to a mostly Hispanic players, again they do serve beer, but it has the FINEST CAROM (3C) TABLES in the State of Arizona. I have been there in the day light hours, never at night, if you want to see some great Cameron player it is the place.
 
I’ve been playing off and on since the mid 1950’s. I can’t ever remember NOT playing for money or at least a drink. Table time averaged $1 or less on Long Island, NY in the 1960‘s. Poolrooms were just poolrooms. Rents were cheap so all you needed was pool and treat everyone right. Rent on my 9 table room (8 9’s & 1 Billiard) was $120 a month in 1969...in NY.

In the late 1950’s to late 1970’s a strong “B” player could go to almost any bar in the country and come out with a good days pay if he knew how to hustle. Now you walk in a sports bar and it’s wall to wall “B” players and up. No easy picking out there now. I never was much of a tournament player so can’t compare them to today.

There are hundreds of “A” and open players in the US now. I’d say there are a hundred times more good “B” players now than in the 1960’s. Now if you have a little natural talent and WANT to get better, you can become a good “B” player in a few years with all the free and for sale info out there.

In 1980 when I moved to FL. I was a good “B” player on a 9’. I could beat most of the women the WPBA tour. Today you better be a strong “A” player to beat the top ten. Johnnyt
 
Snooker is all but gone and the bar tables will soon be all that is left. :crying:

Underclocked

Blame that on the almighty dollar. Return On Investment per Sq Ft. I have even seen 7 ft tables moved out for video gambling machines or Poker Tables. Bar Rooms / Pool Halls in my area are hurting for business.
 
Another point the guy I was talking with who inspired this thread had was. He said when he was leaning he would gamble with people who he had a great chance of beating. Than take those winning to gamble with better players who would share no information. He said this was the only way to learn to play better. Than he would practice what he learn from those who he lost too, and start the process again.

He is what I would call short stop speed. He says now a days people most gamble with fish, and avoid the better players.
 
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