How is this a Joss?
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Wow, a custom Joss, one of one. They committed to never doing this cue again. Oh boy...
Haha! I think if someone offered it to me for free, I'd decline. There's only so much space in my closets.OK, admit it. You bid on it. LOL!
Then again, I'd be tempted to clean up that ferrule, and put a respectable tip on it. But there's only so much lipstick you can put on a pig. It'll be interesting to see what it sells for.
It has 8 bids.
Confess. LOL!
Nice fake
It does look better than most current Joss cues hehehe
Oh boy. Never seen that ringwork on a Joss. I guess Joss II means Joss 2.0.
Rings just like Players and some other Asian made cues. Like the last Mali cues called the "V" series, same rings, made in Asia.
It's a trademark infringement IMHO.
It's not the first time I saw one.
I agree. I think it's ok to do similar designs as various other cuemakers, as there aren't any patents on cues that I know of. However, using another name should be a no-no.
That's a sad skill to have and I think I got you beat.I appreciate that. I've been at the hobby for about 53 years. It also helps to have a super autobiographical memory when it comes to point length, dimension, bumper, buttplate, wrap, period, etc. Maybe it's a disease...
I do have the earliest known Joss cue to me by its identity. Maybe I should put that in the historical cue thread.
My skill was remembering phone numbers. Lotta good that does me now.
Other than mine, the only one I remember is Jenny's. 867-5309.
There are trademarks, and there are patents. This would be a trademark issue I believe.
Cue joints for example have been patented. I have researched them.
I've done a bunch of research on trademarks for cues and cue companies as well.
When you talk about international, the Asians in general, especially China, are big on infringement "clones" I all sorts of products. They have cloned entire vehicles.
Anyway, I thought this one hit the mark for this thread.
Other than maybe Schuler, I'm not aware of a cue joint that's been patented. Are they well-known?
I think we generally agree though. Tascarella cues are largely similar to Balabushka cues, then other makers did the same thing. Joss and Ginacue had similar designs for some time, though different joint ring patterns. But the designs were similar. Both Bill Stroud and Tim Scruggs made similar cues to original Joss before going a bit on their own.
Southwest style cues have been copied by quite a few, as they are a bit distinguished. Then there are the artistic cue makers, which pretty much take a path on their own. Bob Manzino and Tony Scianella come to mind. Many of theirs are a bit different, to say the least.
But if you're going to do a standard four-point, veneered cue, plain buttsleeve, delrin buttcap, I don't think you're infringing on anything sacred.
I posted about one recently in the Ask the Cue Maker forum.
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Are any well known? Probably, but probably those patents have expired long ago anyway, so they aren't well known from the standpoint that people commonly knowing it was patented at one time. Various joints, shafts, low deflection and otherwise, as well as bumpers, ferrules, cores, grips, and more have been patented.
On the general topic of cue patents, you might glance at this: LINK And that's just one quick search result...three pages long.
Yes, we can see the heritage. That's very different from "stealing" a trademark, a brand name, or cloning a design.
Yup. Pretty "standard" design. But if you put a false name on it, or try to pass it off as something it is not, then that is another matter. We know that has gone on. As has been said before, there are more Balabushka cues today than when he died for example.