How long before 10-ball replaces 9-ball

How long before 10-ball replaces 9-ball?

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Last night I racked up 10 racks of 9-ball, and broke the rack relatively softly. 9 times out of 10 I made the wing ball in the corner and the one ball went in the side 3 out of 10 times ,while 6 times the one ball come to rest for an easy shot in the side. The only time I missed the wing ball I am pretty sure is due to not hitting the rack squarely on that break.

Then I racked up 10 racks of 10 ball and broke them at the same speed. trust me, no one is gonna like these results, I dont care who you are. I made the 1 twice in the side, and never did I get a pettern after the break that didn't have a cluster.

THen I racked up 10 more racks of 10 ball and hit them hard.

Something I did notice is the back corner of the 10 ball rack consistantly would go 4 rails back to the lower pocket, but ran into another ball all but once, keeping it from going in (you need to pop it pretty good to see this happen) and it is nowhere near the consistancy of going that a wing ball in 9-ball is.

After my little experimentation last night, I have come to the frame of mind that there is absolutely no reason to smash a 9-ball rack on the break. A big break does nothin but make your run out pattern more difficult, having to travel up and down the table whereas the softer break opens up the balls with a 90% corner ball pot and resulting in a pattern where cue ball movement is minimal, since all the balls are on the same end of the table.

Promote 10-ball for rotation pool!
 
I wish 10-ball would replace 9-ball for good. Most of my pool friends don't want to play 10-ball because it is harder. I prefer the break in 10-ball and its a good practice for 9-ball tournament:D
 
i agree with some on here that have suggested 8 ball is the way to go. if you look at the ipt season statistics i believe you will find that the average break and run percentage was about 25%. enough to keep it exciting and yet not enough to make it boring. the other huge advantage to 8 ball is that so many people play it, everybody knows the rules and there are a lot of people out there who watched the ipt and said to themselves...."i bet i could hang with these guys" (not that they really could) but that thought should help the sport grow in popularity. the equipment is going to have to be tougher than what they use for 9 ball, but i really think this is the way to go. we need the pros on tv to be playing the same game as the general public to build popularity, which will intern build the demand for tv coverage. just my opinion
 
JimS said:
Won't happen.. imo. 9 ball is fast and TV loves fast. Both games SHOULD be played call shot but that's slow. The world hates slow. Slop is exciting and the world loves exciting. Pool lovers will want more skill in the game and the public will want less. Skill is hard to discern by the voting public and is not exciting. The world REQUIRES exciting.
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If the game is gonna be call-shot, then it should include 'call safety' ("safety allowed"). Missing and accidentally hooking your opponent happens just as often or more then slopping a ball in.
 
Scottster said:
Then I racked up 10 racks of 10 ball and broke them at the same speed. trust me, no one is gonna like these results, I dont care who you are. I made the 1 twice in the side, and never did I get a pettern after the break that didn't have a cluster.

THen I racked up 10 more racks of 10 ball and hit them hard.

Something I did notice is the back corner of the 10 ball rack consistantly would go 4 rails back to the lower pocket, but ran into another ball all but once, keeping it from going in (you need to pop it pretty good to see this happen) and it is nowhere near the consistancy of going that a wing ball in 9-ball is.

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I did the same thing and had the same results, I did see some patterns as I racked the balls in number order, it was the 9Ball that came down to the lower left pocket on a hard snap.:)

I did not have any luck with the soft break.

This test was done on a Gold Crown and this June the Simonis will be 2 years old.:(
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10-ball

Bump... are we any closer? Any opinions change one way or the other? As more people learn about the flaws in the 9-ball rack, is that going to increase attraction to 10-ball, or will we find a way to "save" 9-ball? Sorry to dig up this old thread, but I'm obviously obsessed with this topic. :o
 
Cuebacca said:
It seems like a lot of knowledgeable pool people would like to see 10-ball replace 9-ball. I'm not so high on the totem poll, but I'd like to see this too. What will it take for 10-ball to become more popular than 9-ball, and how long do you think it will be before it does?
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3 1/2 days ago
 
Cuebacca said:
Bump... are we any closer? Any opinions change one way or the other? As more people learn about the flaws in the 9-ball rack, is that going to increase attraction to 10-ball, or will we find a way to "save" 9-ball? Sorry to dig up this old thread, but I'm obviously obsessed with this topic. :o
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Certainly we are closer than before. We have a WPA world 10 ball championship coming up, the predator international 10 ball championship is set to become a major in the future and there seems to be more 10 ball tours and tournaments than I ever remember hearing about (although I may not have been listening hard enough).

I think the only saving grace for 9 ball is that the public is already familiar with it. Since televised pool is already in a fragile state, I'm still not confident that it would be prudent to change the "pro game" to something the public is completely unfamiliar. Although I wonder what percentange of the people watching pool on tv are connoisseurs.

IMO the pool industry desperately needs to contact a market research organisation, as I'm not sure they know much about the people they are trying to sell their product to.

P.S. sorry I kind of went off topic.
 
Don't even have a guess for the original question, but looking at the names of the posters in this thread is a little nostalgic isn't it? :D
 
I didnt think it would happen-10 ball replacing 9 ball when I first saw this poll,


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After spending some time with some 18-22 year old players-strong players and after watching them, listining to them etc. 10 ball will be the game in the future, how long???? who knows more than 5 years but not 25 years from now. I perfer 9 ball but I can see why 10 ball will. The level of skill, knowlege of the break are the 2 primary reasons why 10 ball will replace 9 ball. By then I'll be old enough for 1 pocket so its cool with me.
 
Some of you have stated that the luck-factor and the soft break are the problems with 9-ball. I dont agree totally. The biggest problem with modern 9-ball on a high level imo is the shots.

They are too easy, the shotmaking of the 80ies is gone. In WPC these days is all Plopp! (break) plick, plick, plick. (the game) And rerack. BORING!

And yes maybe the break too. :D big breaks are fun and skillful.

I do prefer rotation-games over 8-ball on TV, even 9-ball. I love playing 8-ball, straights etc but TV? IPT could be alive with 9-ball.
 
cant believe that 31 people have voted for hopefully never. it's the future!

this doesn't mean 9-ball will cease to be a popular game - indeed it'll probably still be the best game for the publuc as it's slightly easier for us. but for the pro's, 10-ball is the way to go.

Fixer said:
The biggest problem with modern 9-ball on a high level imo is the shots.
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10-ball on a ten foot diamond will fix that.;)
 
While I do think 10 ball should replace 9 ball as the main tournament game due to the rack and the break being as they are. I hope 9 ball stays right where it is at. It is a fine game as is... but a couple of minor rule changes could make it better.
Chuck
 
6 months

10 ball is just a better more interesting game.

Rules are the same as 9 ball but they have been tweaked in some tournaments,call pocket or call 10b pocket.

IMO this rack your own stuff has got to go.If tourneys are rack your own the racker should not be able to place each ball in a certain spot of his/her choice.

Hard break or cut (soft) break, should be the breakers choice.

Myself I have never liked 9 ball,I kinda see it as a practice game,the way 9 ballers see straight pool probably.
 
lifebyfire21 said:
I have never played 10 ball, is it roughly the same rules at 9 or is it something completely different? As far as replacing 9 ball, I don't know about that, 9 ball seems pretty big right now but you never know, we shall see, I am willing to try anything once.
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To my understanding the 10-ball must be called. In ring games, I've seen where there are also no safeties allowed. There also may be no "ball in-hand" except on a scratch - although you would have the option of returning the shot to the other player, similar to a push-out.
 
Cuebacca said:
It seems like a lot of knowledgeable pool people would like to see 10-ball replace 9-ball. I'm not so high on the totem poll, but I'd like to see this too. What will it take for 10-ball to become more popular than 9-ball, and how long do you think it will be before it does?
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I do not see many 10 Ball Tournaments in the Valley of the Sun compared to 9 Ball. Looking at one of the Local Billiards Papers, as we have (3) Local Billiards Papers.

The one Local Billiards Paper that list most of the weekly tournaments, lists, 28 9 Ball tournaments, and only 1 10 Ball Tournament.
 
smoooothstroke said:
IMO this rack your own stuff has got to go.If tourneys are rack your own the racker should not be able to place each ball in a certain spot of his/her choice.
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Don't forget that in rack-for-each-other, the racker could also use a set pattern, one that favors a more difficult than average layout. So that is a problem independent of who racks.

Setting that aspect aside, wouldn't you agree that rack your own is more fair? In my opinion, it is the only way to go, unless there is a neutral third party racker available who has proven himself to be highly skilled at giving consistent, tight racks.

No matter who racks, I feel that other player should have a right to inspect the rack, and request a re-rack if a reason is stated for the request.

But it is much easier to manipulate gaps into a bad rack, than it is to manipulate gaps into a good rack. Going for a good rack, it's easier to simply make all the balls tight. This is why rack your own is more fair.

What if the rule was that our opponent the one who gets to perform your cue maintenance? You'd constantly be telling him, "you missed a spot". This is similar to rack for each other. If you want something done right, you need to do it yourself. :D

Sorry to side track on the racking issue. I realize I probably didn't convince you, but thanks for listening. :)
 
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