How many AZr's have $1,000 to invest ? Just out of curiosity.

Do You Have $1,000 You Could and Would Invest ?

  • YES

    Votes: 121 70.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 51 29.7%

  • Total voters
    172
Coming up with $1000 is the easy part. Having someone lose it is the hard part. Rather than scenarios just list your idea or intent.

$1000, yes...
People looking to make money, yes...
People want to lose money, no

500% return is huge and unrealistic for most short term business ventures. 50-100% ROI is good.

Unless you are buying gas and putting it in storage for 5 years, you might have a tough sell.
 
MikeJanis said:
This always amazes me about polls. (At this time)

there were 24 Looky-looks but only 50% (12) people took the time (1 second) to answer the poll question.

Come on, hard hard can it be. Yes or No


well lets see... if one considers all the crawler bots floating around the web looking for sellable financial information... this thread would spike off the charts.. for those interested in finding out how much money a person has..

those that looked and didn't answer are probably the most computer savy of the bunch...

I know that wasn't your intent with the thread.. it's just a realistic answer to your question..
 
Every time I buy used Gold Crowns I'm investing well over $1,000 in pool. Same when I buy pool cues. I have several worth over $1,000 that I do not play with. They are, for lack of a better word, investments. The difference is I have chosen my investment and have something material in my possession to show for it.

Opening a new pool room or buying an existing one, are major investments in pool, and I have done both. Even producing a tournament requires an investment in money to fund it. Way more than $1,000.

I have no problem with investing $1,000 in pool, as long as I know where the money is going. And I LIKE the investment. So far there is not enough information for me to give a proper answer.

It's like asking if I would invest $1,000 in real estate. Of course, if the situation was right.
 
MikeJanis said:
Wow, 70% of the responders to have an extra $1k laying around to invest. I guess the economy isn't as bad as everything says it is. Hmmm.


On the same $1,000, how many people think that a return of $4,000 (total) after 5 years is a good or bad investment.

What is the caper???

Who's the mark???

B
 
I've never hesitated in the past to throw a grand at one sort or another pool related idea. However, time has taught me to consider all sides of any proposition.
 
MikeJanis said:
Wow, 70% of the responders to have an extra $1k laying around to invest. I guess the economy isn't as bad as everything says it is. Hmmm.


On the same $1,000, how many people think that a return of $4,000 (total) after 5 years is a good or bad investment.

Your lack of details makes this thread completely useless.
 
Agree 100% ... This is bordering on ridiculous!

Ed Simmons said:
Your lack of details makes this thread completely useless.

If you have a specific idea in mind, lay it out in a single thread. It doesn't appear that the purpose of your question is to ascertain how we are doing financially.
 
I doubt it is just "laying around"

MikeJanis said:
Wow, 70% of the responders to have an extra $1k laying around to invest. I guess the economy isn't as bad as everything says it is. Hmmm.


On the same $1,000, how many people think that a return of $4,000 (total) after 5 years is a good or bad investment.


I did not even answer, but I would expect that many of the 70% are in the same catagory as me.

I don't have ANY money just laying around...I try to keep any money I have working "in some respect"...

Yes I have an extra $1k (not really laying around) but it is readily available....But the main reason I stays readily available is in case I lose my job, wife loses job, emergency (of any kind) etc etc.

IF the right investment came along...sure I would dip into that money, but a 4 year return is to long for me to risk that money...

It would have to be a short term investment that would replace that emergency fund...and I would feel it would have to be a "lock" of an investment before I would risk touching that money.

Other emergencys come up real quick and when you least expect.....especially in this economy....sure as shit I touch that money and "something" is going to happen.
 
MikeJanis said:
Wow, 70% of the responders to have an extra $1k laying around to invest. I guess the economy isn't as bad as everything says it is. Hmmm.


On the same $1,000, how many people think that a return of $4,000 (total) after 5 years is a good or bad investment.
Well that all depends on what u define as a good investment. If u mean the investment is a part of a transaction in which is just a point of personal interest... that is gray area. If it is more partly in a financial decision - much like personal finance, then it is less gray... u have a bit more information to go by.
 
MikeJanis said:
Wow, 70% of the responders to have an extra $1k laying around to invest. I guess the economy isn't as bad as everything says it is. Hmmm.


On the same $1,000, how many people think that a return of $4,000 (total) after 5 years is a good or bad investment.

Now you're starting to sound like George Foreman. Do we get the vegetable griller (a $150 value!) absolutely free if we call in now?

pj
chgo

(Kidding, Mike... :) )
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Now you're starting to sound like George Foreman. Do we get the vegetable griller (a $150 value!) absolutely free if we call in now?

pj
chgo

(Kidding, Mike... :) )

PJ, for you, I will not only throw in the vegetabl griller but also the aouomatice slicer and dicer and the RonCo mini fishing poll.

What, you still want more?


OK, OK, I'll throw in Jack LaLanne's Super Duper Power Juicer. It's the Ultimate Juicing machine !!!!!!


YEAH !!!

If you say yes now I'll throw in an autographed picture of myself. This would make an awesome addition to any Dart Board.

Mj
 
Mike
Turning $1,000 into $4,000 in four years is a good return. No doubt.
Whats the risk? If its really high then maybe the 3k profit isnt worth the risk.

What have you got on your mind???
 
frankncali said:
Mike
Turning $1,000 into $4,000 in four years is a good return. No doubt.
Whats the risk? If its really high then maybe the 3k profit isnt worth the risk.

What have you got on your mind???

Ahhhh, the question I have been waiting for.

Total Revenues = $1,699,100

Total Expenses = $1,161,450

Projected Profit over 5 Year Period = $537,650


The above represents the projected Revenues, Expenses and Profits over a 5 year program for pro pool.

When I approached the BCA regarding this proposal it did not include any profits. The profits were to go back into the program to keep the US Pro Tour in operation. That's probably why they didn't want to do it. However, If I had to seek outside funding there would be a need to show a profit and pay a return on an investment.

The figures are based on my proven track record of promoting and directing events and based on what I know the minimum revenues to be from such a program.

Anyway, this would need 60, $1,000 contributors to get off the ground. I will be putting up $120,000 and I need another $60K to guarantee it's success. I might reach this goal on my own by next summer but I sure would like to get it off the ground sooner than that.

If you have read my previous posts about my new system for Pro pool you know what it is about. If not, you may want to do some research on the subject.

Additionally, I can not guarantee that this will not lose any money but I can give my personal guarantee that if anyone who is interested in starting this system with me that I will guarantee 100% of the monies from any future income I make in my lifetime. You can look at it like this. If this program does not work and it loses all the money you would be guaranteed by the future revenues from the Viking cue 9-Ball Tour of which I am the sole owner.

Right now, I just need the guaranteed cash to get things going.

Based on my projections an investment of $1,000 would create a return of $4,480 over the 5 year period. Even though I will own 2/3rds of the 180 shares I will still split the profits 50/50 with the any partners at the end of the 5th year. After that time everyone will have a choice tostay im at whatever current level it is worth or take their profits, If any and run or take my guarantee if it loses. If at anytime during the 5 years the partners may take their original $1,000 back out as long as someone else or myself is willing to buy it for the $1,000 regardless of what the current value is.


I have in the past done similiar projects like this but only with personal friends. When I started the Tournament Guide Magazine my partner and I at the time both put in $1,000 and my partner received $56,000 profit over the 9 year lifetime of the magazine. Also, when I started the Buckeye Pool League my partner Ritchie "Rockin Ritchie" Madison bought in for $3,000 but after the 1st year I bought him out for $36,000.

According to the Securities and Exchange Comission I can not ask anyone to invest in this venture. So I am not asking you to invest in this.

However, if something like this peeks your interest and you want to get involved there is nothing stopping you from contacting me.


Thanks, Mj




Mj
 
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MikeJanis said:
Ahhhh, the question I have been waiting for.

Total Revenues = $1,699,100

Total Expenses = $1,161,450

Projected Profit over 5 Year Period = $537,650


The above represents the projected Revenues, Expenses and Profits over a 5 year program for pro pool.

When I approached the BCA regarding this proposal it did not include any profits. The profits were to go back into the program to keep the US Pro Tour in operation. That's probably why they didn't want to do it. However, If I had to seek outside funding there would be a need to show a profit and pay a return on an investment.

The figures are based on my proven track record of promoting and directing events and based on what I know the minimum revenues to be from such a program.

Anyway, this would need 60, $1,000 contributors to get off the ground. I will be putting up $120,000 and I need another $60K to guarantee it's success. I might reach this goal on my own by next summer but I sure would like to get it off the ground sooner than that.

If you have read my previous posts about my new system for Pro pool you know what it is about. If not, you may want to do some research on the subject.

Additionally, I can not guarantee that this will not lose any money but I can give my personal guarantee that if anyone who is interested in starting this system with me that I will guarantee 100% of the monies from any future income I make in my lifetime. You can look at it like this. If this program does not work and it loses all the money you would be guaranteed by the future revenues from the Viking cue 9-Ball Tour of which I am the sole owner.

Right now, I just need the guaranteed cash to get things going.

Based on my projections an investment of $1,000 would create a return of $4,480 over the 5 year period. Even though I will own 2/3rds of the 180 shares I will still split the profits 50/50 with the any partners at the end of the 5th year. After that time everyone will have a choice tostay im at whatever current level it is worth or take their profits, If any and run or take my guarantee if it loses. If at anytime during the 5 years the partners may take their original $1,000 back out as long as someone else or myself is willing to buy it for the $1,000 regardless of what the current value is.


I have in the past done similiar projects like this but only with personal friends. When I started the Tournament Guide Magazine my partner and I at the time both put in $1,000 and my partner received $56,000 profit over the 9 year lifetime of the magazine. Also, when I started the Buckeye Pool League my partner Ritchie "Rockin Ritchie" Madison bought in for $3,000 but after the 1st year I bought him out for $36,000.

According to the Securities and Exchange Comission I can not ask anyone to invest in this venture. So I am not asking you to invest in this.

However, if something like this peeks your interest and you want to get involved there is nothing stopping you from contacting me.


Thanks, Mj




Mj


I have been aware of this since this thread started. It wasnt my business to mention it. I will say that Mike is solid and his biz model is too. He has a great plan!!!! And a great reputation too. :smile: :smile:
 
Mike,

When a person is approached to invest in a venture, there is a 'prospectus' or a business plan they can review.
When will this be available.

We all know your track record since 2000 and it has been good. You wouldn't be doing what you are doing if you were not good at what you do.

I would like to see a 'plan' and is $1000 the limit? or can you invest more?
 
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Tom In Cincy said:
Mike,

When a person is approached to invest in a venture, there is a 'prospectus' or a business plan they can review.
When will this be available.

We all know your track record since 2000 and it has been good. You wouldn't be doing what you are doing if you were not good at what you do.

I would like to see a 'plan' and is $1000 the limit? or can you invest more?


Tom, shoot me an email or a phone call.

Mj
 
How solid is it?

Fatboy said:
I have been aware of this since this thread started. It wasnt my business to mention it. I will say that Mike is solid and his biz model is too. He has a great plan!!!! And a great reputation too. :smile: :smile:

Mike is offering a projected 450% return on your money in a five year period. Were I a rich man that believed in the plan I'd toss in the whole $60K and give it a fling. He is guaranteeing the $60K although it may take awhile to see it if things go south.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Mike is offering a projected 450% return on your money in a five year period. Were I a rich man that believed in the plan I'd toss in the whole $60K and give it a fling. He is guaranteeing the $60K although it may take awhile to see it if things go south.

Hu

Hu, in my research this type of program that partially relies on the regional tour systems would take 80% of them to fail over the next 5 years for this system to fail. I'm 99.99% positive that will not happen.

Mj
 
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Hu has the right idea, IMO

I agree with Hu. Mike is not the problem, the inconsistency with pool is the problem. I voted no.
 
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