How many new pool players have you helped at your pool hall?

I have tried to help a couple of NEW Players, most do not want to put in the time, to build a basic foundation. So they have the BASICS Down for building upon.

If they want more information, I simply ask they they show me they have made progress on the Basics I have shown they previously.

Most have not practiced the Basics, so MY help ends.
 
A little story about my third foosball tourney. Quick rundown, race to 2 games, 5pts per game. Person scored upon drops next ball (getting the drop ensures that that player gets possession at midfield). My first match I lose to seasoned player who is obviously not trying very hard and is a uncomfortable beating me as badly as he is. Afterwards he wishes me luck and talks to me a bit.

Second match, I play another seasoned player (Paulie) who doesn't say anything to me, beats me 5-0, 5-0. I was never even able to take a shot on goal. Immediately afterward he starts giving me unsolicited advice. I looked him in the eye and said, 'You must be the stupidest a$$hole in this tourney if you think that I am going to stand here and listen to you after the way you just treated me.'

Was there something I could have learned from him? Without a doubt.

Was it good of him to offer advice? Absolutely.

Did he choose a horrible time to do it? Yes.

Would I have been open to advice had he used any tact (like saying something I did well, or that he had been a beginner not so long ago, or anything empathetic)? Totally.

To be clear: All of you who say that people routinely get upset when you give advice, maybe it isn't the fault of the person receiving the advice. Work on how you OFFER advice. Start off with complimenting something they did well and then tell them something they could do differently. I also helps to have them explain what they were thinking when they tried and failed (this will probably highlight a lack of understanding of a base concept).

Otherwise you are just some jackass pointing out flaws.

dld

PS--A while after I told Paulie off, he brought a beer over to me and apologized about the way he tried to coach me. Turns out he was only about two years further along the curve than I was and had just received an ass-kicking. He told me that he was stunned by my reply, but after thinking about it realized that he would have reacted the same way. We became VERY good friends after that incident.

Hey Double D,
You do not have any business putting a post this good in Lock N Load's thread! I am going to have to keep my good eye on you! Thanks for the good input.
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.
 
Young and old players that have just started out trying to learn to be a good player? Show them shots, explain things at the table to them, Show them how to stand, how to stroke their cue, Give them tips to better their game, and take time to practice with them? Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
The years I owned pool rooms I built my business around it. You need repeat clientele if you are to survive. You need a new customer to feel comfortable and want to come back. I used to use the analogy that for the new customer who comes into a pool room for the first time they have about the comfort level of walking into an adult book store.
They don't know how to rack the balls or where to get the cues, they are worried about looking foolish and think everyone is watching them. Making them feel comfortable right away is very important to them coming back as well as becoming long term players.

I have been in pool rooms where someone does something dumb, not serious, maybe something like not being able to find the rack or racks at the wrong end and instead of going over to them to quietly help them the guy behind the counter yells across the room at them making them feel like idiots. Surprisingly, if the room is run right everybody picks up on it. Your other regulars will be helpful as well. giving advice and not going out of their way to make someone feel like an outsider who has just wandered into another dimension.

Helping them become better players can come later, first you need them to come back, period.
 
Young and old players that have just started out trying to learn to be a good player? Show them shots, explain things at the table to them, Show them how to stand, how to stroke their cue, Give them tips to better their game, and take time to practice with them? Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

Very few.

What I have found is 9 guys out of 10 think they are so much better than they actually are. When a player has that mindset it makes it very difficult to offer advice to them.

I'm more than willing to share anything with anybody but the oppurtunity very rarely presents itself. Instead of giving advice I now just try to get it from others, even if they are inferior players. I've never had a problem getting information out of the better players like some people seem to suggest. Most good players are interested in talking about the different things that have discovered along their journey.
 
All of you who say that people routinely get upset when you give advice, maybe it isn't the fault of the person receiving the advice. Work on how you OFFER advice.

I have been known to give advice to persons playing against me in a tournament (of course I pretty much knew I was gonna beat them anyways). This type of advice is usually greatly appreciated.

Maniac
 
I will help "most" with the certain aspects of the game. "IF" they seem to be taking the game very seriously and are willing to put the effort in I will go out of my way to fill their little "empty heads" as my time permits. Once in a while (every year or two), one of them shows enough "promise" to actually become a "Padawan". There are never more than a couple in the room over the course of a year. These are young guys that come in the room 6-7 days a week (except when they are on the road), always in "action". My "joke" (although it really is not a joke) with the best of them is to periodically offer them a "shot at the title" (me). You know....it's getting harder to beat these little SOBs (sometimes they win).
 
Dozens, maybe even a hundred over the years. Anything from basics, to shot execution (drawing/spinning better), positional choices, kicking, banking, etc. Even mental approach, which is funny coming from me... :)

As some have said, some people are interested, some people just don't care about getting better or learning new things, or maybe just think they do all right on their own. Or expect things to just happen all at once. Not sure. I know I would have loved to have been mentored when I was an up and coming player, instead of having to read books and practice 8 hours a day and figuring it out on my own.

Very rarely just go up to people and offer advice, unless I just can't stand it anymore. But always available if people ask and are genuinely interested. Helps if they have a bit of talent as well. I regularly mentor a few people at the moment, but since I don't play as much anymore it's sort of a once or twice a month thing where I play with them and help them with stroke, pattern play, shot selection, etc.

Scott
 
When my buddy and I play at the bar, we usually don't get bugged and have a table to ourselves. People do come up at some point and give us compliments on our playing which makes us feel good but I always tell people that they are welcome to put their money up and challenge the table. So we intimidate people by our playing which is good for us and not good for them.

If I do play someone, I will miss a few on purpose to at least make it worth their while to plug the table.

At the pool hall there was a nice little guy that I would buy a hamburger for and lend him a 20 for what I thought was food for him and his girl friend.

Then I found out he was continually broke because of slot machines and the 20 I was giving him wasn't going for what I had thought. He comes in on occasion to try and hit me up but I have to tell him I don't have enuff to lend.

Thats about the extent I have helped anyone. Its not that I wouldn't if asked but there are much better players that people can ask.
I feel comfortable teaching a player the basics tho.

I have been at the hall and people have asked about rules etc, in which I will help out that way.
 
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I help my APA team even though they don't practice and won't remember from week to week. At least I've said something.

As I mentioned in the "what have you done to improve" thread, I also watch everyone. I feel I could point out lots of mechanical/fundamental flaws in non-teammates but I don't want to be the know-it-all ass of the league.
 
Some times you get lucky as Efren say's

I always give advice when asked, just my nature.
I always try to help when someone needs it.
You never know when you will get rewarded.

In the 80's.
I used to take in a young bicycle rider for 3 days every year.
He would stay at our home, feed him (man could he eat), and take him to the race and spend the day with him.
Funny thing, Greg would get beat every year by the same guy.
The guy was a wheel sucker.
He would let Greg take the lead for the whole race and draft him at the last 100 feet and win the race.
He was always upset, but I told him "Every Dog Has His Day" you will get even one day.
Several years later I got a call from Greg in France.
Mr. Calip, I won, I cried.
Greg Lemond 5 time winner of Tour Dr France.

In 1988 this guy comes up to me and says he is embarrassed because he is overdressed.
He was wearing a vest, white shirt and European slacks.
I told him that he was representing Falcon cues and Stella and needed to be dressed.
I told him you not only have to be good but look good for your sponsors.
We have become life long friends.
Francisco Bustamante calls me his older brother.

Sometimes you get lucky, it never hurts to help.
 
I noticed everytime I tried to give advice people seem pissed. They feel like is an insult to their abilities.
It's definitely about the approach. I told a neighbor. Hey if you want to learn CB control come on over to my basement and I'll teach you. haven't heard a peep.
 
Dont any of you guys live in Wisconsin? Speaking from the other end of the question, I would love to find someone to offer me some help, I would be very interested in what they had to teach me. Problem is I live about 70 miles from nearest pool hall, I have a Gold Crown in my basement now I just need to find some good pool players. How do you think I go about doing that? Any ideas?
 
Dont any of you guys live in Wisconsin? Speaking from the other end of the question, I would love to find someone to offer me some help, I would be very interested in what they had to teach me. Problem is I live about 70 miles from nearest pool hall, I have a Gold Crown in my basement now I just need to find some good pool players. How do you think I go about doing that? Any ideas?

Start a thread and ask if there are any poolplayers living near Theresa, Wisconsin.

That's as good a place to start as any.

Maniac
 
As a favor to my local pool hall I conduct free classes for beginners. I never offer off-the-cuff advice to somebody who doesn't ask for it unless they're (1) alone and (2) obviously working on their game. When I do I'm careful to ask if they're interested and I keep it short and let them know about the classes if they're interested in more. I'm especially careful about approaching young women, because most of them are understandably wary and tired of getting "advice" from men in pool halls.

pj
chgo
 
I always give advice when asked, just my nature.
I always try to help when someone needs it.
You never know when you will get rewarded.

In the 80's.
I used to take in a young bicycle rider for 3 days every year.
He would stay at our home, feed him (man could he eat), and take him to the race and spend the day with him.
Funny thing, Greg would get beat every year by the same guy.
The guy was a wheel sucker.
He would let Greg take the lead for the whole race and draft him at the last 100 feet and win the race.
He was always upset, but I told him "Every Dog Has His Day" you will get even one day.
Several years later I got a call from Greg in France.
Mr. Calip, I won, I cried.
Greg Lemond 5 time winner of Tour Dr France.

In 1988 this guy comes up to me and says he is embarrassed because he is overdressed.
He was wearing a vest, white shirt and European slacks.
I told him that he was representing Falcon cues and Stella and needed to be dressed.
I told him you not only have to be good but look good for your sponsors.
We have become life long friends.
Francisco Bustamante calls me his older brother.

Sometimes you get lucky, it never hurts to help.

Very good post, Barney.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
As a favor to my local pool hall I conduct free classes for beginners. I never offer off-the-cuff advice to somebody who doesn't ask for it unless they're (1) alone and (2) obviously working on their game. When I do I'm careful to ask if they're interested and I keep it short and let them know about the classes if they're interested in more. I'm especially careful about approaching young women, because most of them are understandably wary and tired of getting "advice" from men in pool halls.

pj
chgo

Good post.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Too many to list. That said, they have to ask for my help. I'm no world beater by any means, but do have solid fundamentals and a solid preshot routine. I tried early on to help a few, but their head was as hard as granite, so I was wasting my time and theirs. Only if they ask.
 
I have asked for, and recieved advice many times from players that were much superior to my playing ability. I always appreciated the fact they took the time to pass on some of their knowledge. Now days not all, but many are willing to help if they see you are truly interested in improving your game. These "nuggets" I have recieved off an on for years greatly improved my game.
 
When my buddy and I play at the bar, we usually don't get bugged and have a table to ourselves. People do come up at some point and give us compliments on our playing which makes us feel good but I always tell people that they are welcome to put their money up and challenge the table. So we intimidate people by our playing which is good for us and not good for them.

If I do play someone, I will miss a few on purpose to at least make it worth their while to plug the table.

At the pool hall there was a nice little guy that I would buy a hamburger for and lend him a 20 for what I thought was food for him and his girl friend.

Then I found out he was continually broke because of slot machines and the 20 I was giving him wasn't going for what I had thought. He comes in on occasion to try and hit me up but I have to tell him I don't have enuff to lend.

Thats about the extent I have helped anyone. Its not that I wouldn't if asked but there are much better players that people can ask.
I feel comfortable teaching a player the basics tho.

I have been at the hall and people have asked about rules etc, in which I will help out that way.

"Lemme hold a hundred." It's for expenses.
 
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