How often do you play kill/drag shots?

SJDinPHX said:
I beg to differ a little Neil..Killl/stun shots are very commonly used by all top players, in a variety of different situations, and they know how to execute those shots correctly..If you are talking about 'b' players, thats a whole different enchilada! Thats why they will never be A+ players!

As you say, you have to use proper technique, and accelerate through the shot, so it is really no different than any other shot..Pocket speed and angle of the cut, actually have very little to do with it..It is all about being familiar, and comfortable with the dynamics of the stun shot..Bottom line is, top players will execute them 95% of the time..'B' players, maybe 20%..It is very much an acquired skill!
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I agree with the comment about top players and it being an acquired skill. When I watch the pros they have the skill/feel to play a kill/drag shot and if they want follow the CB 3", the do follow it 3" and not 1" or 6", and they do it seemingly effortlessly. A lot of amateurs (let alone hacks like me) do not have that fine control and risk too much draw or too little, which explains why they are reluctant to use the shot more often.
 
When I was a kid... they called me "Low English Charley".... & that was playing Snooker. The Draw Drag is a powerful shot... been a mainstay for me since 1958.
 
Years and years ago

Rempe was playing in the finals of a very hard fought straight pool tourney. He shot a drag shot into the side pocket and missed his game ball costing the match.
Why he did that was puzzling. Some people say he was never the same.
It was a brutal week. He was the master of it until his last shot.
Why do I bring this up?
Live by the drag shot. Dye by the drag shot.
He could have fired the thing in!
And the man never dumped. Say that about anyone else and you are probably wrong.
I feel old now,
Nick :)
 
Tables with leans..........

There is another reason to use this shot that hasn't been mentioned so far that I could see.

Kill/drag shots are especially common and useful when playing on tables that are not level or where the cue ball is old and misshapen.

Some people when they need to shoot softly to obtain shape, they will use a short backswing or less hand speed and if the table rolls off they will often miss the shot.

You can hit the cue ball with faster hand speed/stroke (as opposed to hitting the cue ball with a slower stroke,) but by hitting the cue ball below center you can slow the speed of the cue ball, defy the lean and still force the cue ball to travel as intended, just at a slower rate of needed speed to obtain required shape.

JoeyA
 
a drag shot is essentially a stun run through (as it's known in snooker)
and perhaps the single best shot to know and also maybe the toughest

vertical axis people, learn it

most wanna sidespin their way around the table which anybody can do on about day three of learning the game

running english is about the worst thing you can ever learn if you don't know stun run through, stop shots, and force follow/draw
 
FYI, the drag shot and all of its uses are described in detail on the drag shot resource page, which also contains several good videos demonstrating important drag-shot effects at the table in various game situations.

Enjoy,
Dave
 
JoeyA said:
There is another reason to use this shot that hasn't been mentioned so far that I could see.

Kill/drag shots are especially common and useful when playing on tables that are not level or where the cue ball is old and misshapen.

Some people when they need to shoot softly to obtain shape, they will use a short backswing or less hand speed and if the table rolls off they will often miss the shot.

You can hit the cue ball with faster hand speed/stroke (as opposed to hitting the cue ball with a slower stroke,) but by hitting the cue ball below center you can slow the speed of the cue ball, defy the lean and still force the cue ball to travel as intended, just at a slower rate of needed speed to obtain required shape.

JoeyA
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That is when I like the shot most the best way to practice it is using a high ball you can easily see the action ball spinning backward then reverses to straight roll it truley is a thing of beauty when you hit it rite

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Not at all

smashmouth said:
a drag shot is essentially a stun run through (as it's known in snooker)
and perhaps the single best shot to know and also maybe the toughest

vertical axis people, learn it

most wanna sidespin their way around the table which anybody can do on about day three of learning the game

running english is about the worst thing you can ever learn if you don't know stun run through, stop shots, and force follow/draw
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A good drag shot has nothing to do with a stop shot. If you shoot it soft it will want to stop. That is not a stun. Tip position and speed are very much different. You never shoot it in place of a center ball. That would be more of a put.
A drag shot has more back spin than forward rolling speed. Just not much.
Adding reverse at that speed with the back spin slightly over powering the forward speed to kill the rock on a near rail or make it take off like a rocket if you hit the outside spin.
You can not stop the Cue ball within a few inches of the rail on a thin cut from all the way down table by stunning the rock. It will do the opposite.
You can with a good center ball stroke do just that. It isn't a stop shot. Way more complicated. Tip position and speed and even the angle of your Cue has to be altered but the stroke stays constant.
Nick :)
 
I had heard of guys talk about a drag stroke but never really understood it. Then I took a couple of lessons with a fella by the name of Ed Hodan. One of the first things he showed me was the drag stroke, he explained how it was done and the effect that you're looking for on the cue ball. It was one of the most useful things I've learned.

Since then I have used it numerous times in many different situations. Definitely a shot worth learning.
 
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