How often should you replace felt?

metallicane

metallicane

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I have a Kim Steel table and I put the 860 US Open blue Simonis on it three years ago. I play 5 times a week, mostly an hour at a time, but sometimes, when the kids are out, I can get in longer sessions. There are spots on the table and a few worn (very small) areas. I would think if you had this in a pool room, it would be considered good. How often should you replace the felt? With that in mind, how about the rails? When should you replace those? Thanks.
 
metallicane said:
I have a Kim Steel table and I put the 860 US Open blue Simonis on it three years ago. I play 5 times a week, mostly an hour at a time, but sometimes, when the kids are out, I can get in longer sessions. There are spots on the table and a few worn (very small) areas. I would think if you had this in a pool room, it would be considered good. How often should you replace the felt? With that in mind, how about the rails? When should you replace those? Thanks.
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When you start thinking about replacing it, replace it.

Send me a PM. I've got great prices on Simonis and I can get you the new 860HR

Ray
254-379-2569
 
Bigtruck said:
When you start thinking about replacing it, replace it.

Send me a PM. I've got great prices on Simonis and I can get you the new 860HR

Ray
254-379-2569
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What's 860 HR?
 
metallicane said:
Beat me to it. What is it? I play more straight pool than anything so is 860 HR better than 760?
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Same here. I use 760, but the wear is REALLY quick (I play every day). Am interested to hear about 860HR.
Dave
 
Although I'm no expert, I'll share what Glen shared with me when he was setting up my table ~3 months ago.

Glen told me that Simonis is coming out (has now come out) with a new blend of cloth that is more heat resisitant (hence the designation HR, which stands for High Resistance). IIRC, the standard 860 is a 70% wool, 30% nylon blend. Again, IIRC, the new 860HR is 90% wool, 10% nylon. It's the nylon in the cloth that burns (the small white spots) due to frictional heat of the cue ball and the cloth, especially on jump and or masse shots. Nylon has a fairly low melting temperature. The new 860HR should show less burn spots due to the lesser % of nylon in the blend.

Those more in the know pls chime in.

Thx, cd. :wink:

Edited: I've been corrected by Dartman regarding the percentages... his post follows but here's what he posted...

Standard 860 is 90% wool / 10% nylon. 760 is 70/30
860HR is 71/29 however there's more technology to it then the material content mix.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
What's 860 HR?
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860HR - HR stands for High Resistance

It is designed to "resist" ball scuffs. It also has had the dye reformulated to resist fading. I've been playing on it now for about 2 months. I still have some ball scuffs, but not as pronounced. The color is doing really good too!

Ray
254-379-2569

ps. If you want to try some let me know. Special pricing for AZ members with solid reputation.
 

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New Simonis blend?? :eek: Very interesting. I found this blurb on their website:

Its Back... Simonis 860HR.
The most durable commercial-grade billiard cloth made. Heavier than 760, slightly faster than 860, napless and tough as nails. Currently available in Simonis Green, Blue-Green, Tournament Blue and Royal Blue. Ask for it.​
 
Although it may seem like this forum is about the new Simonis cloth....It's actually about replacing your cloth and rails.

It all depends on how hard you are on the table. Do your kids like to hit the hell out of the balls? If so, the rails may need a little work earlier than if they play one pocket all the time. There are factors to consider. I would say the magic number for at home tables seems to be 4 or 5 years.
 
MilwShooter said:
Although it may seem like this forum is about the new Simonis cloth....It's actually about replacing your cloth and rails.

It all depends on how hard you are on the table. Do your kids like to hit the hell out of the balls? If so, the rails may need a little work earlier than if they play one pocket all the time. There are factors to consider. I would say the magic number for at home tables seems to be 4 or 5 years.
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Is that 4 to 5 years for rails too? My kids do not play on the table a lot. I try to play with them and teach them. They do not play right now without me seeing that they are 8, 7, and 3.
 
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MilwShooter said:
Although it may seem like this forum is about the new Simonis cloth....It's actually about replacing your cloth and rails.

It all depends on how hard you are on the table. Do your kids like to hit the hell out of the balls? If so, the rails may need a little work earlier than if they play one pocket all the time. There are factors to consider. I would say the magic number for at home tables seems to be 4 or 5 years.
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I revert to my original post. If you are starting to think about replacing it, replace it.

I just replaced mine and it was on for 1 yr 4 months. No 2 homes or preferences are gonna be the same.

I like to time my replacement by whenever RealKingCobra is coming through! :thumbup:

Ray
 
As long as the HR looks....feels........and plays the same as regular 860 or even better. Im all for it.........
 
cigardave said:
Although I'm no expert, I'll share what Glen shared with me when he was setting up my table ~3 months ago.

Glen told me that Simonis is coming out (has now come out) with a new blend of cloth that is more heat resisitant (hence the designation HR, which stands for High Resistance). IIRC, the standard 860 is a 70% wool, 30% nylon blend. Again, IIRC, the new 860HR is 90% wool, 10% nylon. It's the nylon in the cloth that burns (the small white spots) due to frictional heat of the cue ball and the cloth, especially on jump and or masse shots. Nylon has a fairly low melting temperature. The new 860HR should show less burn spots due to the lesser % of nylon in the blend.

Those more in the know pls chime in.

Thx, cd. :wink:
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Standard 860 is 90% wool / 10% nylon. 760 is 70/30
860HR is 71/29 however there's more technology to it then the material content mix.

To answer OP tho - when you choose to replace your cloth you should do the bed & rails.
Cloth fades with time so I doubt you'd want obviously new bed cloth and dull, faded rails.
You'll also have chalk dust, dings and nicks in the rails which may not be as obvious as what you see on the bed.

There's no set time for replacing cloth.
We've had customers that went 8-10 years before recovering.
The better the care for the cloth the longer it will last and play well.
When you're tired of looking at marks, streaks, nicks and pilling or if the table isn't "playing like it used to"
then it's probably recover time.

As Truck said tho, if you're thinking it's time to replace the cloth then it probably is.
 
Cuebacca said:
New Simonis blend?? :eek: Very interesting. I found this blurb on their website:

Its Back... Simonis 860HR.
The most durable commercial-grade billiard cloth made. Heavier than 760, slightly faster than 860, napless and tough as nails. Currently available in Simonis Green, Blue-Green, Tournament Blue and Royal Blue. Ask for it.​
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860HR is supposed to eventually be available in all the standard 860 colors.
The colors you noted are what's currently available in the US.
 
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