How to calculate your Fargo performance in a particular tournament?

Gatz

Gatz

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Does anybody know if there is a way to calculate your speed you played at, Fargo wise, in a tournament that has finished? I've always been curious about this. When my Fargo goes up, it only moves a few points (1200 games in system, doesn't move much), but would be curious how I performed for certain individual tournaments.
 
Gatz said:
Does anybody know if there is a way to calculate your speed you played at, Fargo wise, in a tournament that has finished? I've always been curious about this. When my Fargo goes up, it only moves a few points (1200 games in system, doesn't move much), but would be curious how I performed for certain individual tournaments.
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There's a spreadsheet out there somewhere that allows you to put in your rating, your opponent's ratings, and the scores. It gives you a "tournament performance".
 
easy-e said:
There's a spreadsheet out there somewhere that allows you to put in your rating, your opponent's ratings, and the scores. It gives you a "tournament performance".
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Oh, that would be awesome. Hopefully someone on here has the link.
 
If you can't find the spreadsheet this can be coded up from scratch. We can imagine something like...

#Match 1 - 4-2 against a 600
#Match 2 - 1-4 against a 700
#Match 3 - 3-4 against a 680

The win probability for a single game is roughly 1 / (1 + exp(-(A-B) / 144)), where A is your rating and B is the opponents' rating.

Let's assume you start with a guess of 650. This rating suggests you would win 3.52 out of 6 games in match 1, 2.07 out of 5 games in match 2, and 3.14 out of 7 games in match 3. Adding all these up shows 8.72 games, which is higher than your actual win total of 8.

The optimization process involves iteratively testing out lower ratings until you find a match with the actual win total (or higher ratings, if your initial guess was too low). Here, the answer turns out to be 626.
 
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Well my question is how does Fargo, or any handicapping system interpret data from Bar Box V/S Nine Foot table play?

Both venues have different skill set for success.

Plus you normally do not play Straight Pool, One Pocket, or Bank Pool on Bar Box.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well my question is how does Fargo, or any handicapping system interpret data from Bar Box V/S Nine Foot table play?

Both venues have different skill set for success.

Plus you normally do not play Straight Pool, One Pocket, or Bank Pool on Bar Box.
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It looks like Fargo treats 8, 9 and 10 ball played on either 7 or 9 foot table as the same, that is, a game. I don't believe any extra weight is given to 9 ft vs 7 ft ... I hope I am wrong, but that seems to be the case.
 
VVP said:
It looks like Fargo treats 8, 9 and 10 ball played on either 7 or 9 foot table as the same, that is, a game. I don't believe any extra weight is given to 9 ft vs 7 ft ... I hope I am wrong, but that seems to be the case.
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Well each table is a different track race track.

Road course v/s high speed oval.

Just my two cents, but I think I am right.
 
VVP said:
It looks like Fargo treats 8, 9 and 10 ball played on either 7 or 9 foot table as the same, that is, a game. I don't believe any extra weight is given to 9 ft vs 7 ft ... I hope I am wrong, but that seems to be the case.
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I believe your correct...statement (!).

While true that banks/ 1p skills arent directly addressed by Fargo, its application to 8/9/10b matchups does not need to be concerned with table size or match duration because the data set is so large, as in total number of games input and the cross referencing between players who played other players who played other players who played other ...
 
VVP said:
It looks like Fargo treats 8, 9 and 10 ball played on either 7 or 9 foot table as the same, that is, a game. I don't believe any extra weight is given to 9 ft vs 7 ft ... I hope I am wrong, but that seems to be the case.
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Well each table is a different track race track.

Road course v/s high speed oval.

Just my two cents, but I think I am right.
 
I’ve thought about the 7/9 thing a few times.

I think in theory you could set conditions that would make someone’s Fargo rate inaccurate on a certain sized table. Like taking a guy who only ever has played on a 7’ and has only ever played others who have only played on a 7’, and they’ve all only played people on a 7’ ...and then that guy matches up with a dude who’s only ever played on a 9’ and only ever played others who’ve only played on a 9’ etc etc. These two have the same Fargo, they play BB 8 ball then 9 on a big table and crush each other ruthlessly in turn.

But Fargo seems to have as much data on matches played as google does on everything else we’ve ever done. So your rating is based on how you perform compared to others who have played others and others and others x100 on tables of all sizes in an interconnected web spanning the global phenomena. It’s craze. It evens out.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well each table is a different track race track.

Road course v/s high speed oval.

Just my two cents, but I think I am right.
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If you are really interested, go check out the videos Mike Page made addressing it. He took a few players and showed their performances on both types of tables individually. Their ratings came out basically the same.
 
easy-e said:
If you are really interested, go check out the videos Mike Page made addressing it. He took a few players and showed their performances on both types of tables individually. Their ratings came out basically the same.
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Well no handicapped system is perfect, like I said, some people are better on big tables, and others on bar boxes.

Mike’s Desert Classic Tour was proof of who was the best over all.

It was like the Decathlon of Arizona Pool, 11 or 12 different event to find the champion.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well no handicapped system is perfect, like I said, some people are better on big tables, and others on bar boxes.

Mike’s Desert Classic Tour was proof of who was the best over all.

It was like the Decathlon of Arizona Pool, 11 or 12 different event to find the champion.
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You should watch the video, you'll be surprised by what you thought you knew...
 
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