How to Easily Detect a DOUBLE HIT FOUL - best video to date on this topic

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FYI, I just posted a new video that discusses and demonstrates double hit fouls in pool and shows how to easily detect them with certainty during play. I wish all pool players (especially league players) could be required to watch this video. I think it is the best double-hit video I have done to date, and anybody who views it would be better at detecting and avoiding double-hit fouls. Check it out:


Contents:
0:00 - Intro
0:33 - Straight Shots
2:39 - Angled Shots
4:32 - See No Evil, Hear No Evil
5:53 - Frozen CB
6:58 - Elevated Cue
8:41 - Wrap Up

As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!
 
dr_dave said:
FYI, I just posted a new video that discusses and demonstrates double hit fouls in pool and shows how to easily detect them with certainty during play. I wish all pool players (especially league players) could be required to watch this video. I think it is the best double-hit video I have done to date, and anybody who views it would be better at detecting and avoiding double-hit fouls. Check it out:


Contents:
0:00 - Intro
0:33 - Straight Shots
2:39 - Angled Shots
4:32 - See No Evil, Hear No Evil
5:53 - Frozen CB
6:58 - Elevated Cue
8:41 - Wrap Up

As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!
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Another good, informative video Dr. Dave!! This is something all league players should have to watch, there are a lot of misconceptions out there.
 
fastone371 said:
Another good, informative video Dr. Dave!! This is something all league players should have to watch, there are a lot of misconceptions out there.
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I wish all pool players (especially league players) and referees at all levels could be required to watch the video. It would help a great deal, IMO.
 
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I think it’s a great video. Nice to have a compact version of it. I definitely shared it to my city’s FB group.

Only critique is the audio test does prove a point but I kinda thought it a tad unnecessary and drawn out in that might be a point people start dropping off the video and miss the elevated cue info.
 
mr3cushion said:
When the CB & OB are within 1/8"-1/4" apart, if the CB 'Hesitates' before it travels 'Foward or Backward' It's Not a Foul!


2nd video.
See at 1:17 and the last shot.

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FYI, lots of examples of fouetté or whip shots can be found in this video:


Sometimes, those shots are actually fouls, even when they don't look like it (although, you can't call a foul in these situations without super slow motion video replay).
 
MattPoland said:
I think it’s a great video.
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Thank you.


MattPoland said:
Nice to have a compact version of it. I definitely shared it to my city’s FB group.
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I'm glad to hear it. I hope the people who need to watch it actually watch it.


MattPoland said:
Only critique is the audio test does prove a point but I kinda thought it a tad unnecessary and drawn out in that might be a point people start dropping off the video and miss the elevated cue info.
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Thanks for the feedback. The audio test part was very quick. Hopefully, people who don't appreciate the audio test part will instead focus on the additional shot examples provided in that section.
 
dr_dave said:
FYI, lots of examples of fouetté or whip shots can be found in this video:


Sometimes, those shots are actually fouls, even when they don't look like it (although, you can't call a foul in these situations without super slow motion video replay).
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I think 3C players from '3C Artistic' events have figured out 'exactly' what 'Appropriate Stroke' to apply without causing a 'Foul'!
 
mr3cushion said:
I think 3C players from '3C Artistic' events have figured out 'exactly' what 'Appropriate Stroke' to apply without causing a 'Foul'!
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Watch the video on this topic. Even when a whip shot is hit well and it looks like there is no foul, sometimes there is still a secondary hit (visible only in super slow motion).
 
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dr_dave said:
Watch the video on this topic. Even when a whip shot is hit well and it looks like there is not foul, sometimes there is still a secondary hit (visible only in super slow motion).
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Respectfully, Dave. 3C Artistic players us 'Different Deflecting/Tapers/weights'/ shaft weights/length/tip size to avoid such mishaps!

Plus, the Art of delivering the cue at the proper, 'speed/timing/tempo an acceleration is paramount!
 
mr3cushion said:
Respectfully, Dave. 3C Artistic players us 'Different Deflecting/Tapers/weights'/ shaft weights/length/tip size to avoid such mishaps!
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Agreed. A whippy (flexible) shaft makes fouetté shots much easier, especially with a heavy carom ball. Did you see the video with Venom's shots? He was using a small-diameter whippy shaft with a powerful and accurate stroke.

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Plus, the Art of delivering the cue at the proper, 'speed/timing/tempo an acceleration is paramount!
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Tip contact point and cue speed at impact are important, and stroke timing and acceleration are important in achieving these things, but "timing" and acceleration during tip contact are unimportant per the videos and info here:

 
dr_dave said:
Agreed. A whippy (flexible) shaft makes fouetté shots much easier, especially with a heavy carom ball. Did you see the video with Venom's shots? He was using a small-diameter whippy shaft with a powerful and accurate stroke.



Tip contact point and cue speed at impact are important, and stroke timing and acceleration are important in achieving these things, but "timing" and acceleration during tip contact are unimportant per the videos and info here:

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We'll have to 'Agree to Disagree' on 'Timing & Acceleration'!
 
Dave, got me thinking about placing.... a chalk cube on the rail tangent line.
Could give the ref a visual contact point of of where it should track.
 
Island Drive said:
Dave, got me thinking about placing.... a chalk cube on the rail tangent line.
Could give the ref a visual contact point of of where it should track.
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I don’t think most refs need this; but if it could help, why not?

A better approach might be to stand along the tangent line (watching the shot from the side). I think that’s what most top refs would do when a double hit is a possibility.
 
another educational video
great job dr dave !!
this topic is often misunderstood even by experienced players
 
Island Drive said:
Dave, got me thinking about placing.... a chalk cube on the rail tangent line.
Could give the ref a visual contact point of of where it should track.
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I accidentally put a top local player on tilt over chalk cubes. He had 4 or 5 cubes on the rail and would move them to tangent lines and use them for planning routes. I didn't really care but every time I got ready to shoot I had to keep moving chalk cubes. I left one at the pool table and put the others on his spectator table. Within 2 turns there were 4 back on the table. I set all but one on top of the light. He watched me do it. He got to the table and started getting loud and confrontational asking where his chalk was. I showed him and told him he watched me do it.

I don't remember exactly what I said but something to the effect that I am sick of moving 3 chalk cubes on every shot I take and that a player of his level shouldn't need to mark out tangent lines and places of contact on the rails. He got huffy but didn't say a word after being called out on table marking. I was already on my way to winning before this but it basically put him on full tilt.

It's kind of funny because he really is a good player, he analyzes the hell out of everything, gives lessons on CB routes, diamonds etc, but evidently not having chalk cubes at every point of rail contact was too much to ask. Funny enough every time I've seen him play after that he uses a magnetic chalk holder. I actually think he's an alright guy but it was just a really funny incident.
 
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