How Would You Play This? 1/23/09 II

Jude Rosenstock

Jude Rosenstock

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This is sort of the polar opposite of what I posted earlier. This scenario came up about a week ago. I was down 9-7 in a race to 11. In spite of the fact that I weighed out the pitfalls, I ended up losing this rack. What are your concerns? What would you have done?

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Bank the 7 back to your corner using left.....speed should be that where the cue ball goes 3 rails and back to the center of the table....if you miss, you want the 7 to miss on the pro side and give the 7 the right speed to finish near the center point at the head...only concern is the rare bad luck of getting caught behind the 9, but you should be able to control that with speed...

From there, 8 and 9 should be easy and played in appropriate corners...
 
I need to download the table still lol.

I would back bank the 7,leaving it on the center of the head rail and send the CB behind the 9.This is a can't miss safe but it leaves a return safe if you dont hide the CB.
 
smoooothstroke said:
I would back bank the 7,leaving it on the center of the head rail and send the CB behind the 9.This is a can't miss safe but it leaves a return safe if you dont hide the CB.
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Well, just to start off the thought process part of this - I saw a real positive and a real negative to the layout.

First the positive, the 8ball and 9ball could act as blockers against any long bank shot.

The negative, the 8ball was in a fairly easy place. Leaving any makeable shot on the 7 would likely result in a loss.
 
Big Perm said:
Bank the 7 back to your corner using left.....speed should be that where the cue ball goes 3 rails and back to the center of the table....if you miss, you want the 7 to miss on the pro side and give the 7 the right speed to finish near the center point at the head...only concern is the rare bad luck of getting caught behind the 9, but you should be able to control that with speed...

From there, 8 and 9 should be easy and played in appropriate corners...
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I agree, this is the way I would play it.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Well, just to start off the thought process part of this - I saw a real positive and a real negative to the layout.

First the positive, the 8ball and 9ball could act as blockers against any long bank shot.

The negative, the 8ball was in a fairly easy place. Leaving any makeable shot on the 7 would likely result in a loss.
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It is allmost impossible to leave a shot on the 7 exept for a long bank.

It is like banking it cross corner(back) but instead of playing the 7 short you play it long(thin hit)
 
Speed looks right to bank 7 at the corner under you and play the (pro-side!) miss to leave 7 a diamond+ from pocket on end rail. CB goes for shape on the 8 between 9 and other end rail...

You're gonna lose some from there!
 
smoooothstroke said:
It is allmost impossible to leave a shot on the 7 exept for a long bank.

It is like banking it cross corner(back) but instead of playing the 7 short you play it long(thin hit)
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I think you're underestimating that angle on the 7. Banking it in the corner is a really thin hit.
 
I'm with smooothstroke on this one. I think on the equipment I play on, this is at least a 75% chance of success of executing. Taking on the bank and making sure if you miss, you miss short, is also an option, but I'd rather not take the chance on leaving safety options for my opponent if I do miss.

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Jude Rosenstock said:
This is sort of the polar opposite of what I posted earlier. This scenario came up about a week ago. I was down 9-7 in a race to 11. In spite of the fact that I weighed out the pitfalls, I ended up losing this rack. What are your concerns? What would you have done?

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Jude Rosenstock said:
I think you're underestimating that angle on the 7. Banking it in the corner is a really thin hit.
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This answer was for the original drawing, I got lost.

I agree, it looks to me if you hit it hard enough to bank to the bottom corner the cue ball will travel up and back down the table a little too far to have usable shape on the 8. I would try to stun it with hard draw and pull the cue ball up table toward the head rail for shape on the 8.
 
DoomCue said:
I'm with smooothstroke on this one. I think on the equipment I play on, this is at least a 75% chance of success of executing. Taking on the bank and making sure if you miss, you miss short, is also an option, but I'd rather not take the chance on leaving safety options for my opponent if I do miss.

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Can't you execute the bank with intention of making it and accomplish the same leave? when trying to make the bank and accomplish the same basic leave on the CB your hitting the object ball hard enough that if you do miss and you don't get flush behind the 9 for safe the obect ball will not sit at of near the pocket jaws... with a missed bank the object ball wou likelybaounce back ito the middle of the table close to or against the rail... leaving a very hard shot for opponent???

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Beware_of_Dawg said:
Can't you execute the bank with intention of making it and accomplish the same leave? when trying to make the bank and accomplish the same basic leave on the CB your hitting the object ball hard enough that if you do miss and you don't get flush behind the 9 for safe the obect ball will not sit at of near the pocket jaws... with a missed bank the object ball wou likelybaounce back ito the middle of the table close to or against the rail... leaving a very hard shot for opponent???

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If you try to bank it, the cueball should have enough speed to race around the table twice. It was that thin.
 
see if this works

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OK,first try at using this table..

This is my shot,if I snooker my opponent behind the 9 it is a bonus but not necessary for the shot IMO.

LOL didnt work.
 
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On paper I say you just lay down the safe. If it's really a thin cut to bank it then it just doesn't lay right to shoot it unless you're sure you're going to make it.

Of course I remind people all the time that pool isn't played on paper...

You might need to be at the table to decide what to do on this one.
 
Smooothstroke, I tried to post your diagram, but this is what I got.... I don't think it's right:grin:

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Chris_Lynch said:
Jude,

You really need to play better position so we don't have to keep doing this.

Chris
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LMAO! Yes OR my opponents need to give me better leaves.


What safety would you play here? I believe you saw me in this position though you may not remember.
 
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