How Would You Play This? 1/23/09 II

Neil said:
O.K., since the hit is too thin to bank, it is also too thin to safe to the bottom rail. So, I would concentrate on getting the cb behind the 9. In the process, I am banking the 7, knowing it is coming up short. And judging the speed to get it to as near as possible to the center of the table as near as possible to the bottom rail.
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Well, I'm not saying it was too thin to bank. I'm just saying it's thin and you're not going to be able to hold the cueball that easily. There's a reasonable chance it's going to race around a bit.
 
The point I'm making is this, your choice is to bank or play safe. From here, you really can't do both. Like Chris said, the moment you see this on a table and not a diagram, everybody is going to be like, "OHHHH, yeah that's thin!"
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
The point I'm making is this, your choice is to bank or play safe. From here, you really can't do both. Like Chris said, the moment you see this on a table and not a diagram, everybody is going to be like, "OHHHH, yeah that's thin!"
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:D

I trust you amigo.....gonna set this up tomorrow morning and see what it looks like.....hell, I might just bank it in the side, it's riskier but easier to get leave on the 8 ;)
 
I think your best bet would be to safe behind the 7. You can go the aggressive route and reverse cut it in the zorner pocket but you are going to send your cue ball loose and maybe sewer or get shitty shape. Play the percentages according to your ability and knowledge.
 
Neil said:
Another often overlooked option- Slow roll into the 7. Your goal is to have the 7 come off the rail, and freeze to the cb. From there, his options are very limited. The hard part is getting it to freeze to the cb.
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I actually wish I thought of this. I like this idea a lot.
 
I don't get it...except Jude says the angle is more extreme than it looks...well it would have to be quite a bit more extreme than the example shown to change my mind...anyway from the diagram it's a very easy shot to bank...and practically the whole fairway to get shape on the 8-ball...I just don't see the problem...

Mike
 
I like banking the 7 two rails to the middle of the short rail and playing the cb three rails behind the 9. If I acheive either one I feel like I'm going to win.

I also like rolling up to the 7 as Neil suggested but that could depend on who your opponent is and how well they play safe.
 
What I would do.

Jude Rosenstock said:
Well, just to start off the thought process part of this - I saw a real positive and a real negative to the layout.

First the positive, the 8ball and 9ball could act as blockers against any long bank shot.

The negative, the 8ball was in a fairly easy place. Leaving any makeable shot on the 7 would likely result in a loss.
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I would bank the seven to try and make it but instead of concentrating on making the seven, I would concentrate on positioning the CB behind the nine by using top outside, you'd have to hit the seven a little more full than just banking it and that woiuld decreas the accuracy on the seven slightly, but if you can go two or three rails to stay behind the nine if you do miss the seven, you leave no shot and even if you don't get behind the nine, you have a good chance of leaving the seven on the head rail and leaving no shot.

If you make the seven you're on the eight nd can get out.

Jaden.
 
No body likes to let the safe on the back side of a bank shot go , but there are times when you have to just go for. The seven is not a difficult bank and the the 8 is make able from anywhere on the table except behind the nine. I think this is one of those times when you say I'm going to bank that seven in like it has eyes and leave the cue ball anywhere other then behind the nine and this game is over. Find your center address the table handle the business. I am not in anyway down playing the thought process of the game but there is a fine line between being in the zone and processing your thoughts in the background of your mind while the execution of the thoughts is processed in the foreground. You have an 80% chance of making the 7 and a 90% chance of having reasonable shape on the 8. It would be ideal to work a safety into the shot if you miss the 7 but if it is going to lesson your odds for making the shot, like it looks like it does in this case then forget the safety go for the out and don't miss.
 
Big Perm said:
Bank the 7 back to your corner using left.....speed should be that where the cue ball goes 3 rails and back to the center of the table....if you miss, you want the 7 to miss on the pro side and give the 7 the right speed to finish near the center point at the head...only concern is the rare bad luck of getting caught behind the 9, but you should be able to control that with speed...

From there, 8 and 9 should be easy and played in appropriate corners...
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I agree with this other than the speed of the shot. I wouldn't play the cueball 3 cushions as that would give the object ball enough speed to get away from you if you missed the bank. Nah, I'd go with a soft bank, one rail with the cue ball and if I missed then it (object ball) would end up around center rail. Very easy to control this cue ball one rail at this angle.

Let me add though that if the cloth is fast and the cushions are bouncy then yeah, I would go with the 3 rails with the cue ball. Regular conditions though, Simonis 860 for example, I would stay with one rail position.
MULLY
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Well, just to start off the thought process part of this - I saw a real positive and a real negative to the layout.

First the positive, the 8ball and 9ball could act as blockers against any long bank shot.

The negative, the 8ball was in a fairly easy place. Leaving any makeable shot on the 7 would likely result in a loss.
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I have to admit... there is a temptation to play a shot like this (banking the 7 into the lower right corner). But when you're behind in a set, I have to agree with Smooothstroke here.

Play the left side of the seven with a little left english. Give it just enough speed to leave the 7 mid-rail. The left should take your cueball down table and tuck it behind the 9. The upside here is that even if you leave a peek at the 7 AND even if the 7 is an inch off the rail, the shot is still not an easy one.

Playing the bank is a little too risky. If you're off by an inch or so, you could hang the 7 in the corner and sell out.

JMO
 
2 way shot. bank 7 to go to corner. If you miss, you leave it on end rail. try to get the cue behind the 9 but where the 8 can be made as well.
 
subdude1974 said:
2 way shot. bank 7 to go to corner. If you miss, you leave it on end rail. try to get the cue behind the 9 but where the 8 can be made as well.
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Seems like a no-brainer. I agree. This is the way I'd go too. :smile: Play it like a two-way shot.
 
Get copy of "Banking With the Beard" and look on page 116 to see exactly how to shoot that bank. Half ball hit with 2 tips outside english, firm speed which will send ball back to middle of end rail if you miss. If you make it at that speed, you'll be on the 8 but one the off chance that you miss, you'lll either leave a long bank or a hook behind the nine.

After getting the book, I have practiced that bank a good bit and after practice, it is not too difficult.
 
TX Poolnut said:
Seems like a no-brainer. I agree. This is the way I'd go too. :smile: Play it like a two-way shot.
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Its not a bad idea. My only reason for not trying this is that if you bank with the intentions of making the shot, being off by a hair could leave the 7 hanging the pocket's jaws. If that does happen, being behind the 9 might not be all that safe... esepcially if your opponent has a jump cue or a decent kick game.
 
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