How would you play this rack of 8 ball

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On the same note as Judes thread, open table, 2 ball on the break. What set do you choose, and what is your pattern?

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Chuck
 
start with the 4. from there, you should have no problems. you can go just about anyway you want. but the 4 is definitely the 1st ball.
 
I would shoot the four first, than shoot the combo, making sure I come up the table so I can see see 3 the 7 or the six. Depending on how the six sits, I would than shoot the six, should be right in front of the pocket, than come up the table, shoot the seven, get shape on the one, shoot the 3 straight in the corner pocket, leaving you straight in on the eight.
At least that is my attack, things never work out as planned, LOL
 
Has to be the 4 first - you won't get a better shot at it or so many followup possibilities.

From there it's gravy with two or three possible routes.

pj
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kobyp said:
What English would you use to accomplish that shape?

To get the shape pictured I'd like the CB to hit the OB as if I hit it with just-above-centerball from a few inches away (not quite full natural roll; no sidespin). To do this from the longer distance of this shot I'd use a little "drag draw" (slight draw that wears off a little ways before hitting the OB) - sometimes called "stun-rollthrough" - or maybe just centerball depending on how it looks in real life on real cloth.

You could also hit it with natural roll (a little above center) and a little right sidespin, but this complicates things unnecessarily in my view and makes exact position less predictable.

pj
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Patrick Johnson said:
To get the shape pictured I'd like the CB to hit the OB as if I hit it with just-above-centerball from a few inches away (not quite full natural roll; no sidespin). To do this from the longer distance of this shot I'd use a little "drag draw" (slight draw that wears off a little ways before hitting the OB) - sometimes called "stun-rollthrough" - or maybe just centerball depending on how it looks in real life on real cloth.

You could also hit it with natural roll (a little above center) and a little right sidespin, but this complicates things unnecessarily in my view and makes exact position less predictable.

pj
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thanks. I was thinking little high & little right. But I'll play with the "stun" just to get used to it.
 
I think most everyone (that will reply on this board) will choose a variation of the 4 then 7-5-6-3-1...

However...Just to shake this up...and yes I have seen this type of stuff happen....You are playing someone that can make balls very well, but seems to have a screw loose in the plan making aspect of the game.

It was his break and instead of picking solids...(for whatever reason) he chose to shoot the easy hanger of a 12 ball. Then decided he wanted to take on one of his trouble balls...(cause he was always told to take them on early) trys to play the 14 in the corner off your 5 ball and somehow leaves you this layout..

What is your strategy now?

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4,7,5,6,3,1, and 8 in corner. Care should be taken to get an anle on the 6/5 combo as to no get much movement from the 6, but still allows CB to travel to a thinner angle to get from 6 to the 3.

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JMHO, as a C player..

Russ
 
Irish634 said:
I like this route as well.

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Everything played the same as I would, except for the position from 3 to the 1. You don't really want to shoot the 1 being jacked up over the 8. Need to either draw back a little on the 3, or go forward to the rail, but try not to get jacked up over the 8.

Stun shots on this sort of shot can go wrong quickly if you are shooting them with elevation. Accidentally put a smidge of english on the shot, and you spin the OB right away from the pocket.....

JMHO, as a C player.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Everything played the same as I would, except for the position from 3 to the 1. You don't really want to shoot the 1 being jacked up over the 8. Need to either draw back a little on the 3, or go forward to the rail, but try not to get jacked up over the 8.

Very true Russ. I guess I got click happy and stopped my shot mid stroke. My idea to follow was the same though. :D
 
kobyp said:
What English would you use to accomplish that shape?


Just as Patrick said. Pretty much just above center was my thought. The angle off the rail probably wouldn't be as acute as I have it drawn, but you get the idea.
 
I was thinking little high & little right. But I'll play with the "stun" just to get used to it.

Remember that the CB will pick up a little right english as it rubs against the OB, so you probably want it to roll forward a little on its way to the rail so it'll rebound at the slight forward angle shown. That's the reason to let it have a little follow. I think full natural roll follow would be too much for that angle (but it's hard to be sure with these diagrams - thinks look different on the table).

By the way, I'm not saying this exact position is best, just answering your question about how I'd try to get it.

pj
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Everything played the same as I would, except for the position from 3 to the 1.

Me too, except for the shot on the 6/5 combo. I'd rather hit that combo as straight as possible to avoid the risk of the 6 going someplace funny (and to keep the CB away from the 14).

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I might even kill the CB next to the end rail (and stun off the 6 for shape on the 3) so I could be sure to reach the shot easily.

pj
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BRKNRUN said:
I think most everyone (that will reply on this board) will choose a variation of the 4 then 7-5-6-3-1...

However...Just to shake this up...and yes I have seen this type of stuff happen....You are playing someone that can make balls very well, but seems to have a screw loose in the plan making aspect of the game.

It was his break and instead of picking solids...(for whatever reason) he chose to shoot the easy hanger of a 12 ball. Then decided he wanted to take on one of his trouble balls...(cause he was always told to take them on early) trys to play the 14 in the corner off your 5 ball and somehow leaves you this layout..

What is your strategy now?

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I would make absolutely sure that the 6 remains blocking the pocket, at all costs. You could also choose just to bank the 4 softly and tie up the 9. That would be my choice if my opponent was a very good shotmaker.

Russ
 
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