How would you play this? Tough leave on the 6

[Secaucus Fats]

I think the induced throw on the 6, (you are pushing it away from the line of aim), makes the option very difficult if not impossible. JMO



I would suggest looking at some of Drews options.

That's an entirely makeable bank.

The key is to hit the cueball low (draw) with lots of outside english. Works best when you shoot the object smack in the face with authority.

The speed required turns the cueball loose and makes position hard to control. Still, in your situation.. that's the shot I would attempt.

There are a number of variations of the shot that come up quite frequently. It's a good thing to have in your bag o' tricks. Once you get the hang of it those types of banks are fairly high probability.

In one pocket, banks like that are common.

If you don't already have it get the book "Banking With The Beard" by Freddie Bentivegna. It's a treasure throve of banking info.

Fats

 

[PROG8R]

That's an entirely makeable bank.

The key is to hit the cueball low (draw) with lots of outside english. Works best when you shoot the object smack in the face with authority.

The speed required turns the cueball loose and makes position hard to control. Still, in your situation.. that's the shot I would attempt.

There are a number of variations of the shot that come up quite frequently. It's a good thing to have in your bag o' tricks. Once you get the hang of it those types of banks are fairly high probability.

In one pocket, banks like that are common.

If you don't already have it get the book "Banking With The Beard" by Freddie Bentivegna. It's a treasure throve of banking info.

Fats

That was my first shot comment. I have had to pull that shot off many times, it is really not as hard as the safties, and is damn near dead in. Seriously, set it up and shoot it.

 

[AZE]

I love how every time someone posts a cue-table layout theres always about 3 or 4 people who post some 'incredible' solutions. Most of which are either impossible, or highly improbable, and not easy for even the best players in the world to duplicate over and over.

Uwate, I agree with you 100% here in your argument. I also would've played the shot you suggested -- maybe it's just a South Florida thing.

 

[klockdoc]

you said tavern. is that a bar table with the bigger cueball?

Pro cut Diamonds with Simonis cloth. 4 1/4 inch pockets, regular red dot cue. Owner opens the tables on Saturday for free pool and a tournament. Best tables in town.... Just got 14 in and has two 9 footers in storage for the new place.

He also has a 9 foot Gold Crown with shimmed pockets that we use for practice and single pocket (one hole)....

 

[klockdoc]

That's an entirely makeable bank.

The key is to hit the cueball low (draw) with lots of outside english. Works best when you shoot the object smack in the face with authority.
The speed required turns the cueball loose and makes position hard to control. Still, in your situation.. that's the shot I would attempt.

There are a number of variations of the shot that come up quite frequently. It's a good thing to have in your bag o' tricks. Once you get the hang of it those types of banks are fairly high probability.

In one pocket, banks like that are common.

If you don't already have it get the book "Banking With The Beard" by Freddie Bentivegna. It's a treasure throve of banking info.

Fats

I do not know how you would hit it full in the face at that angle, but anyways....

Maybe I will practice it. I would have to get over 70% efficient with it, before I would attempt it in a match. Joe Tucker's video, in my other 9 ball thread, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoiK6...BF9A1&index=13, shows a similar shot where he freezes the ball to the rail, one ball above the side pocket. The freezes the cue ball to the same rail and cross banks the ball into the side. He says he hits it very thin with outside english.

He, (Joe), also mentions that the balls are new/polished, clean cloth and other contributing factors. This video in itself makes me want to try the shot for its practibility.

But, bottom line, unless I am VERY accurate and confident that I am going to make this bank, (and I would guess that I would be less than 50% if I knew it, that I would take the bank/safe that I showed for my solution.

Thanks for the info though. JMO

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I do not know how you would hit it full in the face at that angle

That just means hit it straight on from where the cue ball lies. I think the bank makes if you cut it a little to the left (steeper into the rail) with outside english to shorten the bank angle as much as possible, and with draw to keep the cue ball away from the kiss. It's do-able, but it isn't high percentage unless you've practiced it on that same table. Maybe with sticky cloth and balls you can make it without any cut angle, just relying on the outside english to shorten it up. Jerry's probably thinking about that league table with the beer stains and mud balls.

pj
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[buzzsaw]

I like this shot a lot, too. You also have an unusual amount of control since you can allow the cueball to drift down table a bit. You should be able to find the angle necesary to get it to hide.

Jude, I had the same thought. A little bit of high english will push the cue ball towards the top rail. That would provide a wider angle for the leave if you put the 6 either behind the two balls or if it gets to the bottom rail. To me, if you just stop it you pretty much have to put it behind the two balls.

 

[klockdoc]

That just means hit it straight on from where the cue ball lies. I think the bank makes if you cut it a little to the left (steeper into the rail) with outside english to shorten the bank angle as much as possible, and with draw to keep the cue ball away from the kiss. It's do-able, but it isn't high percentage unless you've practiced it on that same table. Maybe with sticky cloth and balls you can make it without any cut angle, just relying on the outside english to shorten it up. Jerry's probably thinking about that league table with the beer stains and mud balls.

pj
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I'm must have misinterpreted his statement. I thought he said in order to bank it you have to hit it full in the face.
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Secaucus Fats said: That's an entirely makeable bank.

The key is to hit the cueball low (draw) with lots of outside english. Works best when you shoot the object smack in the face with authority.
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My mistake if this is not what he meant...

 

[Joe T]

This is what I'm doing, it ain't super strong but it is pretty easy to execute and even if I hit the 7 they gotta come with something.

Just aim for the #6 contact point on the six ball and that creates a 30 degree banking angle for the 6, top with a touch if right on the cue ball & the speed lays right for controlling both balls naturally.

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[PROG8R]

This is what I'm doing, it ain't super strong but it is pretty easy to execute and even if I hit the 7 they gotta come with something.

Just aim for the #6 contact point on the six ball and that creates a 30 degree banking angle for the 6, top with a touch if right on the cue ball & the speed lays right for controlling both balls naturally.

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No fear of a scratch?

 

[Joe T]

No fear of a scratch?

What scratch worries you?

 

[PROG8R]

What scratch worries you?

Thinking of the cue comming back down into the top rt corner. On a perfect hit that might not be there, but I keep thinking a little too thin your in and a little too thick your in the side. I will have to set it up later and try it bit.

 

[Joe T]

Yeah I tried it before I posted it and the scratches aren't as big as you might think they are and I think that's because there's not much feel involved in the shot, it's just kind of natural.

 

[mosconiac]

It seems no one likes my rail first on the 6, so what about this adaptation of the previous 4-rail shot...the thick hit on the OB would make controlling the CB speed very easy (probably freezing the CB to the end rail) and you are using the 8/9 as potential blockers (the steeper OB angle off the last rail would make OB speed less critical to fall behind the blockers than the 4-rail route). Seems pretty natural to me...although I would still shoot the rail-first.

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[uwate]

Last night I got on my home table and setup this layout. So I go for the 3 rail kick shot just for the helluva it. First shot the cueball goes two rails and makes the 6. LMAO. WTF!

Then I set it up again and hit the ball full in the face and sold out with an easy shot. I shot it 6 more times, nearly made the 6 three times but sold out or scratched every time.

I also shot the four railer and in 10 tries I ended up with so so results 8 out of 10 tries. 2 of the tries I really sold out as the 6 three railed short and ended up by the bottom corner pocket.

Just for the helluva it again, I shot the bank with bottom right and shortened it up. I made the bank 4 out of 10 times and in 3 of the misses the balls ended up with the cueball on the top side rail and the 6 on the bottom side rail. Still a relatively makeable short rail bank but also missable.

Anyways, just wanted to add in some real world testing to this thread.

Joe Tuckers safety is a great shot. Gonna have to try that one out and see how it goes.

 

[PROG8R]

Last night I got on my home table and setup this layout.

Just for the helluva it again, I shot the bank with bottom right and shortened it up. I made the bank 4 out of 10 times and in 3 of the misses the balls ended up with the cueball on the top side rail and the 6 on the bottom side rail. Still a relatively makeable short rail bank but also missable.

Joe Tuckers safety is a great shot. Gonna have to try that one out and see how it goes.

4 out of 10, not a bad start. It is realativly easy; no? I have pulled that bank off when I could over hear the other camp telling each other I was F'ed. Then smiling inside when I drilled it. I am also going to go try Joe's input.

 

[dan_boersma]

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Thin the 6 with hi-right to send the cue 2/3 rails behind the 8-9.

Alot of good things can happen here, and if your speed is alittle off you may still be ok, as you are creating distance b/t cue ball and ob.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

I'm reposting my question:

What if the OB is the money ball(9-ball) instead of the 6-ball, how will you play the table?

 

[Joe T]

I'm reposting my question:

What if the OB is the money ball(9-ball) instead of the 6-ball, how will you play the table?

I would play a Bill Incardona type bank, the kind he taught us on his 1 pocket video. It looks like a kiss but there's no kiss, aim for the 4- 4.5 contact point. The only difference here is when he shoots it the cue ball is a little farther from the that lower long rail and then he does it with follow trying to leave his opponent with the cue near their hole (lower left pocket). In this case I like hitting it with low and a touch of inside (to get the cue to the end rail) and I make sure not to miss it short and hit it hard enough to get around to that 4th rail.
Bad if you miss it short, bad if you catch the lower point when going long, bad for a kiss if you don't draw it But feels pretty freakin good when you drain it and it ain't that tough to drain.

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I just checked, you can bank it with a smooth top stroke also but there isn't much of a chance of getting safe if you miss.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I thought he said in order to bank it you have to hit it full in the face.

I think he did. The bank is what I was talking about too.

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