How would you play this?

[Koop]

It's actually easier than you'd think. What everyone knows but refuses to recognize is that when you use a lot of top spin, the cue-ball tends to hop. You see this when the cue-ball and object ball are near a rail. Players have a tendency to completely jump off the table when attempting to follow out. Well, this is merely a positive application of a known occurance.

What's funny is, because of the top spin, you can actually pocket the cue-ball and have it climb out of the pocket and back on the table. It literally disappears for a split second. Funniest thing I've ever seen on a table!

I am definitely going to print this out and try it later. You're right on the top spin, I just never really thought there was such a positive to the hop.

Thanks for sharing Jude and the first drink is still on me.

Dave

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

lol I'll have to set that up and try it later. what would you do in a serious situation?

I like ohb's shot...hadn't thought of it...you have a decent chance of not selling out if you miss...I don't move good enough to pull that one off though

In a serious situation? Hope that it was my turn to get a good roll! I would probably try to two-rail it into the 9-ball. If I clip the 9, the 8 will surely stay near the side-rail. If I fall between the 9 and the rail, I can make the 8 in the corner.

Depending on how close the 8-ball is to the rail, I might consider hooking the cue-ball behind the point of the side. There are a few lay-outs that are ideal for such a safe but this isn't quite one of them.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

I am definitely going to print this out and try it later. You're right on the top spin, I just never really thought there was such a positive to the hop.

Thanks for sharing Jude and the first drink is still on me.

Dave

The key when you try it is to use A LOT of follow. Although you still must hit it firm, follow-spin is the greater concern over actual speed. I've only attempted this shot on Crown III's and IV's. If you're using leather pockets or a thicker slate, the results will certainly be different.

Oh, I also had the good fortune of being able to practice it in an empty room. Nothing like having a bunch of railbirds telling you you're going right in the hole! In the end, it's low percentage but it's still a lot of fun.

 

[Shorty]

I actually saw Tony Robles knock off this shot about 10 times in a row (I was disgusted). My percentages aren't nearly as good but it laid perfectly so I decided to give it a try.

I cut the 8-ball in the corner with about as much follow as I could muster. The cue-ball hit the back of the side-pocket, rebounded back onto the table and followed down to the footrail around the 9-ball for a manageable cut in the corner. Ridiculous shot but it was a lot of fun.


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I would had to play the bank...maybe even softly to hide the 8 behind the 9 in case I miss.

This reminds me of the other night in my nine ball set...twice in the same set I failed to draw the cue on the 8 and had ZERO shape on the 9. I popped it and it stopped...I just could not follow through with the cue because it was such a reach out on the table. Even with my extensions its a hard shot. I have got to find a way to draw the ball on long shots.

Anyway, good luck with that shot Jude. I have also seen a guy do it with just the shaft of his cue as well...he was a road player named "Smokin Joe".

Shorty

 

[ScottR]

I actually saw Tony Robles knock off this shot about 10 times in a row (I was disgusted). My percentages aren't nearly as good but it laid perfectly so I decided to give it a try.

I cut the 8-ball in the corner with about as much follow as I could muster. The cue-ball hit the back of the side-pocket, rebounded back onto the table and followed down to the footrail around the 9-ball for a manageable cut in the corner. Ridiculous shot but it was a lot of fun.


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I've seen that done on a bar box with a big cue ball. But, never saw it on a big table. Now it's in your quiver for a money match!!

 

[OldHasBeen]

That Shot Works - Only On An Old Gc.

It's actually easier than you'd think. What everyone knows but refuses to recognize is that when you use a lot of top spin, the cue-ball tends to hop. You see this when the cue-ball and object ball are near a rail. Players have a tendency to completely jump off the table when attempting to follow out. Well, this is merely a positive application of a known occurance.

What's funny is, because of the top spin, you can actually pocket the cue-ball and have it climb out of the pocket and back on the table. It literally disappears for a split second. Funniest thing I've ever seen on a table!

I have seen that shot tried (and not work) many times. It is a shot that only works on an older Gold Crown. Louie shot it many times for the ca$h BUT it is a very low percentage shot. Louie shot MANY low percentage shots though.
But as you said, it was for NO $.

For the ca$h - you can shoot that & I'll shoot mine!

TY & GL

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

FOR NO $ - I would try to bank the 8 two rails in the opposite corner from the nine. At the same time, I would draw the cueball under the nine to shoot in the same pocket. THIS IS A ONE POCKET SHOT ALSO.

TY & GL

I think this is my favorite practical idea. I'm going to have to try this one out.

 

[BazookaJoe]

It looks like it could be three-railed to the top right corner.
If you miss, maybe you leave him on the head-rail.

 

[Black-Balled]

Nice one! You dragged it up out of the old book of pool!
You can also do it by jacking up and making the CB jump/ rebound the same way. I think the chances are better to jump it off the table, as opposed to bouncing back on it, but, as stated, this was a shot for the funzies! The $ gets different treatment...

 

[DaveK]

But as you said, it was for NO $.

For the ca$h - you can shoot that & I'll shoot mine!

OHB, you mentioned that for no $ you would play twice to the opposite corner. What shot would you consider if there was $200 on the game and you only had $100 in your pocket ?

Dave, who learns a great deal about shot selection from these discussions, Thanks Jude !

PS I will try Judes shot on my little Brunswick. It should work considering how well it's side pockets can spit out an object ball !

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

OHB, you mentioned that for no $ you would play twice to the opposite corner. What shot would you consider if there was $200 on the game and you only had $100 in your pocket ?

Dave, who learns a great deal about shot selection from these discussions, Thanks Jude !

PS I will try Judes shot on my little Brunswick. It should work considering how well it's side pockets can spit out an object ball !

In the wise words of Tony Robles: "If there's a chance you can scratch, it's the wrong shot."

My shot would definately fall under that catagory. I would have to consider a bank. The zig-zag is in play though not a favorite of mine. I would have to consider banking to the footrail and trying to thin the 9 on the way out. This way, if you miss (which is likely), you'll likely end up leaving little.

 

[OldHasBeen]

My shot is a two way shot.

In the wise words of Tony Robles: "If there's a chance you can scratch, it's the wrong shot."

My shot would definately fall under that catagory. I would have to consider a bank. The zig-zag is in play though not a favorite of mine. I would have to consider banking to the footrail and trying to thin the 9 on the way out. This way, if you miss (which is likely), you'll likely end up leaving little.

IN MY SHOT -
If you make it - You win.
If you miss it - You SHOULD/COULD be safe.
That is why I say it is a standard one pocket shot.

Your shot is as much a jump shot as a high english shot.
Very low percentage.

$ or not - I shoot my shot.

As in One Pocket - The Cue Ball control is everything. This is a force/draw/throw shot. It takes practice & skill as do most complicated One Pocket shots.

TY & GL

 

[sjm]

Unless the diagram is misleading, it doens't look too tough to cut the eight in the side. Inside english will ensure you hold the shape. Very high percentage for a strong player.

The double bank recommended by OHB also occured to me, but I wasn't quite as creative as him with the defense. If i chose that shot, I'd have drawn my cue ball to the center of the table and used the speed that would leave the eight in the middle of the table on any miss that is short, willing to leave a long bank or tough cut up the short rail if I missed.

As the shot played by Tony R involves using a hard hit, which makes the pocket play tighter, I'm never choosing it over either of the other two far more controlled shots.

Jude, there are many applications of the stroke Tony R showed you. If you like, next time I see you, I'll show you a few more of them, including a couple of positions where it's your only option.