How would you play this?

I'm not sure of the placement of the 6 ball, but if it's possible to put the six into the rt top corner with running english, that should place me in position to shoot the 8 into the same corner. If that works out, I would shoot the 8 with center (maybe a bit lower) to get position to shoot the 9 into the top left corner.
 
Andrew Manning said:
Like this:

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I concur! Just some High Right English and stroke the ball with a smooth stroke. Don't hit it too hard so the english has a chance to take.(depending on how close the tangent of the 6 really is to the side pocket).

Also you don't want to get down too far on the 8 and even flirt with scratching or getting too straight to be able to get on the 9.
 
I'd attempt the same thing. I think the trick to this one is getting position on the 8 to cut it in either corner. It would be pretty painful if you ended up parallel to the 8.

Because the cloth is fast and you have to hit this slow, I think that would negate the problem of the rail being slow and may even help you in the situation (Thanks Mr "The Beard")
 
The shot probably looks different on the felt than on cuetable, but if the answer above isn't it...I would shoot it softer with more right (stay on the same side of the 8). This way I don't have to shoot a english-heavy shot with much pace. The dead rails will help kill the CB.

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Oh Hell-

:eek:1/2 tip low/1 tip left-hard stun(6 to 8). High right(1:45) silky smooth(8 to 9). You're out. Ta daa! ...............I WISH!



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Actually, I do agree with the roll/spin forward options (6 to 8). Get somewhere to make the 8/come up with something 8 to the 9.

Watching Shane at Mosconi has polluted my opinion of what's do-able.

Gotta get those 3+ rails in there somehow.
 
Well, this is similar to what has been posted but this is the layout I made before looking at the other responses.

The only good option in my opinion

Dudley

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Neil said:
Diamond barbox, 9 ball game. How would you play this shot??
I should also add that it is new cloth, fairly fast, but the rails are quite slow.

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imo i like going for the bank and drawing the cue ball. it helps shorten up the bank and helps you play shape for the 8.

if you feel like ducking it's probably better to play it safe and bank the 6 to the same rail that the 8 is sitting on. nothing complex just bank it up the the rail and try to leave the cue ball on the side rail (top left in the picture)
 
Neil said:
I suspect 9 out of 10 people will go with the one rail with right english shot. What I did is below. Here is my thinking on this shot under those conditions-

I know the rails are playing quite slow. That means that I have to put more speed on the shot than I would like to, or ordinarily need to. Putting the extra speed on the shot means that the cb will go farther down the tangent line before hooking. That gives me the possibility of a scratch, or hitting the point of the pocket.

If I hit it just hard enough to think I will still get enough follow, I now have to contend with the slow rail. Will I get back across table? Or, will I end up having to bank the 8?

I studied the shot for a little while. While studying it, I was actually playing the shot in my mind, trying to see what would happen by hitting it different speeds. I kept feeling like I was going to screw myself on an easy 3 ball out.

So.... I ended up taking the other option. I knew the rails were taking spin really good, but not bouncing far. So I hit the cb at 7:45 and hit it hard. Almost break speed. I figured if the rails were slow, the spin would help get the cb around table. As hard as I hit it, I still came up a little short, but I KNEW I would get a shot going this way. And, I did.

Sometimes you have to look for the unseen option. In this case, I felt like I was playing the better odds by going around. On a different table, I would have shot the 6 slow with a lot of right and just spun on down for the 8. I didn't think it would work this time, so I fought the urge to shoot what I really felt was a low percentage shot.

After shooting this and getting out, my opponent said that shot on the 6 was just plain sick. He took me by surprise saying that, as he is a decent B player. He never would have thought of going back and left to get forward and right.

My whole point of showing this shot, is because of what he said. Always keep ALL options in mind. Sometimes, when in doubt, going backwards IS the best way to go forwards!

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Another way to take advantage the slow, sticky rails is to use a drag-draw inside-english shot. The drag-draw allows you to put lots of sidespin on the CB without too much speed on it, to maximize follow and maximize the spin's effect off the rail, getting the CB to the "short" side of the 8:

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It's a little trickier to aim than a conventional follow-with-inside shot (until you get used to it), but can come in very handy when you need maximum spin effect.

pj
chgo
 
Nice shot!

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Neil said:
I suspect 9 out of 10 people will go with the one rail with right english shot. What I did is below. Here is my thinking on this shot under those conditions-

I know the rails are playing quite slow. That means that I have to put more speed on the shot than I would like to, or ordinarily need to. Putting the extra speed on the shot means that the cb will go farther down the tangent line before hooking. That gives me the possibility of a scratch, or hitting the point of the pocket.

If I hit it just hard enough to think I will still get enough follow, I now have to contend with the slow rail. Will I get back across table? Or, will I end up having to bank the 8?

I studied the shot for a little while. While studying it, I was actually playing the shot in my mind, trying to see what would happen by hitting it different speeds. I kept feeling like I was going to screw myself on an easy 3 ball out.

So.... I ended up taking the other option. I knew the rails were taking spin really good, but not bouncing far. So I hit the cb at 7:45 and hit it hard. Almost break speed. I figured if the rails were slow, the spin would help get the cb around table. As hard as I hit it, I still came up a little short, but I KNEW I would get a shot going this way. And, I did.

Sometimes you have to look for the unseen option. In this case, I felt like I was playing the better odds by going around. On a different table, I would have shot the 6 slow with a lot of right and just spun on down for the 8. I didn't think it would work this time, so I fought the urge to shoot what I really felt was a low percentage shot.

After shooting this and getting out, my opponent said that shot on the 6 was just plain sick. He took me by surprise saying that, as he is a decent B player. He never would have thought of going back and left to get forward and right.

My whole point of showing this shot, is because of what he said. Always keep ALL options in mind. Sometimes, when in doubt, going backwards IS the best way to go forwards!

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You executed what I would like to be able to do. Sometimes you gotta go!

I love these monster outs. Thanks for sharing.

3railkick
 
3railkick:
I love these monster outs.
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Neil's shot is one of the more difficult examples, but these 3-railers really aren't that tough in general. I usually run into them when I get on the wrong side of a side pocket shot, and it's really so easy that I don't even sweat it when it comes up:

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The main thing is to be sure to hit them fat because the outside spin and the full-ish hit throws the OB a lot. It doesn't take as much sidespin or speed as you might think; the spin gets magnified by the CB/OB impact and moves the CB around the table by itself.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Neil's shot is one of the more difficult examples, but these 3-railers really aren't that tough in general. I usually run into them when I get on the wrong side of a side pocket shot, and it's really so easy that I don't even sweat it when it comes up:

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The main thing is to be sure to hit them fat because the outside spin and the full-ish hit throws the OB a lot. It doesn't take as much sidespin or speed as you might think; the spin gets magnified by the CB/OB impact and moves the CB around the table by itself.

pj
chgo
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That is not a bad shot and I have played it a few times but when the nine is at the middle diamond or on the other side of the middle diamond. However, as an alternative, from your diagram, you could play low inside english and play to the long side instead of the short side so you have more room for error.
 
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