How would you play this ??

I grew up playing straight pool but this is 9 ball not straight pool. So you assuming i dont play much straight pool is just foolish. Straight pool IS the GAME to learn... That's what I was taught from a very young age.

Moving balls is part of the game yes but in ALL pocket games a good rule of thumb is dont move balls unless its very controlled and you have a shot after moving balls. Just like you dont want to shoot combinations unless nessecary or very controlled. How many times have you seen players of all skill levels screw up an out by moving balls or hitting a combo poorly??? More often enough its the reason why they screw up...

Look dude im not gonna have a pissing match with you about the finer aspects of pool but go ahead and fire balls off other balls all day... If you get out bravo squire you played it well. Personaly i think its more destructive and definitely a run killer.. JMO and if we play I need the 7,8 and the break :cool:
 
Hey Neil...


If you hit the balls EXACTLY like your diagram in post #6 ill paypal you $100... It just looks liek theres too many things that will go wrong...
 
I shot the one ball with right spin and got to the side rail. I played the carom and the two ball rolled towards the middle of the table. I played it in the side and the four ball position was easy.

Tried the one ball bank twice. The first time I hit the three ball and opened up the two for an easy shot. The second time I hit the two ball first, made the one ball, but left myself an off angle combo on the two and three balls.

The first option was easy and fit my style of play. In a match, I would pocket the one ball and then think about options. I don't want to just give my opponent a chance until I'm sure I'm swinging at a flyer or not.

If there was absolutely no shot on the two ball, or little to no chance for shape after the one was pocketed, I would play safe on the two ball. It would be rare for me to play safe on a makeable ball, unless I could use the one ball to break out the two or move into a position to do so on the next shot.

Best,
Mike
 
With the balls where they are, the pocket is so HUGE you probably couldn't miss the 1 and the 2 might not end up right where the lines are, it will be somewhere where you will have a good shot on it.

Playing safe for ball in hand does nothing. Look at the position, you basically have ball in hand now on the one, it will get no better with the 1 up table having to navigate through a minefield for a 2/3 split breakout.

This was my first thought when I read the beginning of the thread.

While I'm curious to see Neils solution played out, and can understand the "why" behind it, I'm not nearly skilled enough to make that shot a reasonable option.

Thanks for the thread, Ingo!
 
So for the cash I can move the one up to the other end and give you BIH and you will take that as opposed to shooting for the cash from where they lay and playing the carom?

In a close match I would prefer the safe and take my chances with them getting lucky. If the carom on the three off the two is not laying correct then who ever makes the one without a definite plan for the two and three will be the underdog in this game. I'll take my chances even with Efren kicking at the one ball. I'll wait for a higher chance percentage wise than 50/50 or 50/60. I'm not risking a key game with those type of percentages. If I don't have a safety option then I would have to play with these low percentages.

If I get ball in hand that would give me multiply options.
 
So for the cash I can move the one up to the other end and give you BIH and you will take that as opposed to shooting for the cash from where they lay and playing the carom?

Like I said, if the carom is not laying correct to pocket the three ball with the two ball after cutting the one ball in, then I would play safe with the one. If the carom is on then it's a no brainer to attempt the runout. I just don't like the bank into the two to pocket the one. No guarantee to make the one and get position on the two. It seems like my money plays different than yours.

If it's early in a match or not much $ involved then I might try this risky shot. Maybe if I'm a heavy underdog then the risk might be in order.
 
Conservative:

Make the 1 and come to the same height as 2/3. Shoot square into the 2, sending the 2 to the opposite short rail while drawing the CB to the short rail on the left.... leaving blocking balls in the way.

Aggressive:

Shoot the 1 with low inside to get to the top rail. Carom the 3 in and knock the 2 to the side, setting up for the low left pocket.


The aggressive approach was my first thought. However I would probably play safe :)
 
The carom off the 2 appears to go. Why not just hit it lightly, make the 3 and end up with a shot on the 2 afterwards.

I don't really see the point in playing safe here, you're still going to have shoot the carom.

Unless you're going all out for a 3 foul, no point to it so it seems.
 
Neil;

Consider, the safety shot suggested, with a little high right on the CB and coming in behind the 2/3 and perhaps(most certainly) separating them and leaving a runout if BIH. This is a common 1pt shot and is not that hard, and suggests a much better safety.

Mike
 
Neil;

Consider, the safety shot suggested, with a little high right on the CB and coming in behind the 2/3 and perhaps(most certainly) separating them and leaving a runout if BIH. This is a common 1pt shot and is not that hard, and suggests a much better safety.

Mike

Seems to me, that shot requires more skill than running out....
...whitey wants to go in the pocket
 
Here's one... bank the one into the side hole while stopping the cue ball near the one's current position. If you happen to make it, you've got a combo on the three, if you miss above or below the side - you'll likely have a great safety on the other player.

Worst case, you hit the titty and set the opponent up (not very likely so it will probably happen). :D
 
Hi Neil,

slow down with the *old guys* , LOL ^^ much work atm:)

For me there were just 2 ways which are correct.
The way Terjhe shown up is easy and ok for me and was the first idea i had. But then i ve choosen this way here-and it s easier than it looks:

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A carom/double-kiss from the one-ball. Drawshot with a bit righthand-inglish. :-) The one-ball will stay here usualy, if hit right at the same place-maybe some cm/inches further.

If a ball is frozen to a rail, this is always a great option to have a look at it and to think about it.

lg and thx for all your opinions.

Further-- don t get too agressive to each other folks. A diagram sometimes just *fakes* your point of view. These are just samples to discuss about and perhaps something to learn or just open your minds :)

Ingo
 
Can't really tell by the diagram, but it might be possible to just make the one, spinning the cb over to the rail by the 2-3. Then carom off the two lightly to make the 3 and then the 2 in the opposite corner.

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This is my favorite...leaves you the option (if the carom off the 2 to make the 3 isn't on) to thin the 2 and run for cover. The danger would be leaving a hanger, so you'd have to put the cueball in jail behind the 5-7-8 to pull the safety off. The 3 has a chance of kicking the 2 to the middle of the short rail, too.
 
Sure, there's lots of safes there. But, why play safe when you ran it out 8 out of 10 times??

Agreed, I was only suggesting a better option for those that felt they couldn't run out with the current placement of the balls. If your going to play a safe make it a good one.
 
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