how would you play this? this is the shot i was left after my oponent tried to hook me. by the way the 6 is about an 1/8 inch off the rail and the 7 is about 1 inch off the rail and does not go by the 9.
how would you play this
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I'd try this if I wasn't foolish enough to bank the six. Not sure if this is the best way or to use righthand english and go rail first off the six.
Jim
Jim
There's a good two way shot here, so I'm playing offense. Bank the six back into the corner and send the cue ball on a four rail path beneath the seven and nine, from which point very strong defense will be available. Make the bank and you are in control, miss it and there is a decent chance that you will snooker your opponent from the six.
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Hals shot is the best choice. Freeze up the 6 right on the 7, and leave whitey all the way up on the head rail.
Attempting the bank is not wise, at least not if you like money. Winning is not about always being aggressive and making crowd-pleasing shots, it's about proper table management and making the correct shot selection.
Attempting the bank is not wise, at least not if you like money. Winning is not about always being aggressive and making crowd-pleasing shots, it's about proper table management and making the correct shot selection.
what my opponent did
her is the position that i left my opponent, what he did after and what i did after that.
i banked the six and tried to get a kick off the rail to break up the 7 and 9. the shot went long and i caught the corner of the side and it left me with a good billiard on the 9. who da thunk it
it was all for naught though as i lost the set 9 to 7.
her is the position that i left my opponent, what he did after and what i did after that.
i banked the six and tried to get a kick off the rail to break up the 7 and 9. the shot went long and i caught the corner of the side and it left me with a good billiard on the 9. who da thunk it
it was all for naught though as i lost the set 9 to 7.
Holy cow, 10 WeiTables, I doubt anyone with an old computer is going to be able to read this post.
Anyway, here is a CueTable layout with SJM's shot on the first page and Mine on the second. Use the page arrows on the lower right to change pages
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3FbIR3GFUc3...bBUe3dBdN4dAVt4kKaO3kXnY7kYUi3kbYr3kHYT2uDbO@
I know my shot is a little crazy but it seems sensible to me.
Anyway, here is a CueTable layout with SJM's shot on the first page and Mine on the second. Use the page arrows on the lower right to change pages
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3FbIR3GFUc3...bBUe3dBdN4dAVt4kKaO3kXnY7kYUi3kbYr3kHYT2uDbO@
I know my shot is a little crazy but it seems sensible to me.
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cuetable said:Holy cow, 10 WeiTables, I doubt anyone with an old computer is going to be able to read this post.
Anyway, here is a CueTable layout with Stu's shot on the first page and Mine on the second. Use the page arrows on the lower right to change pages
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3FbIR3GFUc3...bBUe3dBdN4dAVt4kKaO3kXnY7kYUi3kbYr3kHYT2uDbO@
I know my shot is a little crazy but it seems sensible to me.
the first shot is pretty much impossible imo. the speed needed to get this position can't happen on such a short distance for the 6 to travel. the second shot in my thought would be suicide as your trying to play to the "open" side of the other balls and hope you get the "microscopic" position. good advertisement for the new version of the table though.
VonRhett said:
Why would you want to freeze the six to the seven. Even an intermediate level player knows that this will make opponent's response much easier, almost ensuring that the six can be left in that same position off of the next safety. Even if this is choice is made, it is far better to not freeze the six to the seven. Freezing the six to the seven probably deosn't even make you the favorite to win the rack if you don't freeze the cue ball to the top rail.
Bank the six in the side and split the 9-7.
unknownpro
unknownpro
unknownpro said:
That's kind of what I'm thinking too. Not because I favor myself to get out from there, but because even if I miss I'm probably leaving a long shot on the 6 with the cb near the bottom rail, and my opp. has to come back down the table to get a shot on the 7. I think I'd play the bank with a touch of inside as well, in an attempt to contact the high side (right hand side) of the 7, and possibly improve the odds of having another shot. If I make the 6 and don't break out the 7, then at least I should be very close to the 7 and can probably thin off of it for some sort of safety.
Actionhound
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in my opinion
the only logical choice (in my oppinion) would be exactly as Hal put it... you tie up the 6 ball and leave the cueball down table from your opponent... there is just two many risks involved in trying to thin the 6 ball and leave your opponent behind the 9... you could run into the 9 and leave him a shot... or if you dont stroke the ball correctly you could scratch... there is alot of things you can do wrong... but thats my oppinion...
the only logical choice (in my oppinion) would be exactly as Hal put it... you tie up the 6 ball and leave the cueball down table from your opponent... there is just two many risks involved in trying to thin the 6 ball and leave your opponent behind the 9... you could run into the 9 and leave him a shot... or if you dont stroke the ball correctly you could scratch... there is alot of things you can do wrong... but thats my oppinion...
Actionhound said:
there is no risk imo. if you leave the cue ball short of the nine you leave a very long and "tempting" shot for you're opponent not to mention the seven is somewhat tied up as well. as far as the scatch it's not viable for players with good cueball control. i thought of this before i shot it and figured if i'm going to leave the 6 somewhere why not leave it in a place that if my cue ball position is not right it leaves a very tough shot and because the fact that it could be makeable might suck them in to tring it, missing and leaving me at least a shot at the six to safe or pocket. imo even if they tried to play safe it would be easier for them to use the other two balls that in your thought would now be by the 6 to "help" keep the six there and get the safe they want to play. all in all for my game i think my option was the one to play but i know other players think differently for thier game which is why i post these to here others thoughts thanks.
funny thing, i just quickly set this shot back up bent over without even getting into my actual shooting stance, hap-hazardly aimed, banked the six which the trickled into the side , cue ball hit the seven full which moved the nine slightly, i pocketed the seven and pulled back off the rail for nine. who da thunk it! i shot it similar to my safe whithout using inside. maybe someones trying to tell me something.unknownpro said:
Personally, I think SJM's 2-way shot is excellent. It takes advantage of the blockers if you miss the 6-ball and puts you in ideal position if you make it. I'm not sure how much the corner-pocket comes into play off the 3rd rail but that's the only concern. The speed on it looks just right.
Beyond that, "the shot" is to thin the 6-ball and two-rail the cue-ball behind the cluster as Jal points out. My logic behind why I would choose this shot has to do with several factors:
1. If you don't hook the cue-ball, you likely leave the 6-ball on the rail. It's an uncomfortable shot for offense or defense.
2. Hit the shot right, you will likely bump into the 7 and 9, maintaining the hook but making it much much easier to run out on your next turn.
The other shots:
1. Skins leaves the 6-ball in a bad place on multiple levels. If he misses the hook, his opponent has a shot. He got the hook but with BIH, he still has work to do, getting back down for the 7. Although the cue-ball's path is correct, he diminished the probability of a good outcome by letting the 6 loose. Good to keep your work close-by when possible.
2. Sending the 6 into the cluster as Hal suggests is a stall tactic, nothing more. There is no chance of hiding the 6-ball, you're sending it near the 9-ball (always bad) and you're hoping that distance will produce an uncomfortable situation for your opponent to hook you back. When you safe, you want to make your opponent come up with something great to win the game. YOU DON'T want to hope he makes a mistake. All this safety does is make your opponent do a routine safety in return. Trust me, I've already lost my fair share of money on playing it this way. I don't play it this way anymore.
Go with either SJM's idea or Jal's idea and you're giving yourself an excellent chance to win. If you like money, you gotta like these shots.
Beyond that, "the shot" is to thin the 6-ball and two-rail the cue-ball behind the cluster as Jal points out. My logic behind why I would choose this shot has to do with several factors:
1. If you don't hook the cue-ball, you likely leave the 6-ball on the rail. It's an uncomfortable shot for offense or defense.
2. Hit the shot right, you will likely bump into the 7 and 9, maintaining the hook but making it much much easier to run out on your next turn.
The other shots:
1. Skins leaves the 6-ball in a bad place on multiple levels. If he misses the hook, his opponent has a shot. He got the hook but with BIH, he still has work to do, getting back down for the 7. Although the cue-ball's path is correct, he diminished the probability of a good outcome by letting the 6 loose. Good to keep your work close-by when possible.
2. Sending the 6 into the cluster as Hal suggests is a stall tactic, nothing more. There is no chance of hiding the 6-ball, you're sending it near the 9-ball (always bad) and you're hoping that distance will produce an uncomfortable situation for your opponent to hook you back. When you safe, you want to make your opponent come up with something great to win the game. YOU DON'T want to hope he makes a mistake. All this safety does is make your opponent do a routine safety in return. Trust me, I've already lost my fair share of money on playing it this way. I don't play it this way anymore.
Go with either SJM's idea or Jal's idea and you're giving yourself an excellent chance to win. If you like money, you gotta like these shots.
skins said:
Skins, I apologize. I didn't mean to be so brutal. My point was to go through the reasons why I would choose one shot over another. Like I said, your idea about where you wanted to get the cue-ball is right on the money and what's most interesting about this scenario is that we were able to illustrate how one could achieve the same path for the cue-ball while getting entirely different paths for the object-ball. It's always good to know your options.
You did good and the bottom line is, execution is most important. However, in our forum-discussions, execution is frequently set at medium while approach is given most weight.