How would you play this?
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Carom the 4 off the 6, into the pocket. The cueball will float to the short rail for shape on the five.
Inside english stun draw, as follows (you'll actually swerve deeper into the corner, but I didn't know how to draw a curvy line).
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softly cut the 4 to the rail (just missing the 6), and let my opponent deal with it....
Softly bank the 4 very close to the 5 sending the cue around the rail by the 8. IMO, anything other than a safety is madness.
I would probably lock down a safety...but if I'm feeling frisky I going to draw it out with inside and come three rails for five.
Bear in mind, in competition, I'm safing about 110% of the time but amongst friends, this is what I'd do:
Nick B said:
Wow, that's kinda scary.
Nick B said:
I mean, right after I post my reply, I see you said the same thing! I mean, almost the EXACT same thing.
Tried it two different ways, both worked. The first using left english, cutting it real thin to the left side of the pocket and hitting the CB at about 9 o'clock coming out one rail. Secondly, pocketing the four and using high right going three cushions behind the eight and coming up close tp the seven for shape on the five in the opposite corner than the four was pocketed. Might sound a little agressive but it worked all three times I played it that way. BTW, my table is pretty fast which makes it much easier to travel the CB around the table.
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Thanks to all for their contribution to this shot solution. It's nice to see different views and approaches to a shot. The correct solution came pretty fast. I was hoping some would get to look the shot over before it was revealed, but, thanks anyway.
BWTadpole, cubc had it right in it being a Buddy Hall shot. coopdeville described the shot close to the same as Buddy shot it. I used his diagram with a few corrections to explain it as Buddy did.
I thought possibly it would be disguised by the table being in a position whereas the viewer was looking down on the shot, versus, at the end of the table. But, no luck there. They picked it up pretty quick.
I show the shot below as Buddy described it. I tried to locate the balls as accurately as they were, but, I was looking at the end of the table versus above. I could be off slightly.
Buddy says to Jack up on the cue ball to an angle of about 45 degrees. Shooting downward at about 11:00 (I do not know if that is AM or PM though), the cue ball will curve around the six and after striking the rail, come back to a spot slightly lower than the original starting point.
If you want to view the shot, it is shown in the Bustamante/Strickland 2002 US Open Semi finals at 30 minutes into the video on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTGMZVben94
Thanks to all for their contribution to this shot solution. It's nice to see different views and approaches to a shot. The correct solution came pretty fast. I was hoping some would get to look the shot over before it was revealed, but, thanks anyway.
BWTadpole, cubc had it right in it being a Buddy Hall shot. coopdeville described the shot close to the same as Buddy shot it. I used his diagram with a few corrections to explain it as Buddy did.
I thought possibly it would be disguised by the table being in a position whereas the viewer was looking down on the shot, versus, at the end of the table. But, no luck there. They picked it up pretty quick.
I show the shot below as Buddy described it. I tried to locate the balls as accurately as they were, but, I was looking at the end of the table versus above. I could be off slightly.
Buddy says to Jack up on the cue ball to an angle of about 45 degrees. Shooting downward at about 11:00 (I do not know if that is AM or PM though), the cue ball will curve around the six and after striking the rail, come back to a spot slightly lower than the original starting point.
If you want to view the shot, it is shown in the Bustamante/Strickland 2002 US Open Semi finals at 30 minutes into the video on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTGMZVben94
The shot selection depends on the table conditions as well. On new cloth, the Buddy Hall shot as shown will not work as well as there is too much slide. You could very well end up having the cueball slide off and hit the 8 or 9, possibly getting hooked. On new cloth, I like either a safety or shooting SJMs shot. On older cloth where the inside takes and doesnt slide, the Buddy Hall shot is the one to go with for sure.
uwate said:
From your response, I think you may have missed that Buddy's shooting this as a masse, where the swerve takes after contacting the 4, rather than relying on the english against the rail to turn the CB so sharply. He demonstrates it on new cloth, and the turn off the rail isn't extreme, since the CB does most of its turning after the 4 but before the rail. It's an interesting way that I hadn't thought of to make the CB come inward from the tangent line much more acutely than would be possible with a level cue.
That said, I don't think I'd try this shot in an important game. There are infinite possibilities for safeties with the balls so close together, either on the 4, or pocketing the 4 and playing position for a safety on the 5. A creative player would probably be confident in winning a safety battle from here, and thus not feel the offensive shot was worth the risk of ending up hooked on the 5, where you are not a favorite to win control of the table back.
-Andrew