I stuck myself with this shape on the 8. What would you do? My fear on the shot was making the 8 and either A) getting horrible shape on the 9 or B) ending up scratching. I ended up trying the two way shot of cutting in the 8 and caroming the 9. I missed them both and lost the game so I wanted to see how others would play this.
You can make the 9 from almost anywhere so shape isnt really a problem but on this shot all you have to do is hit the 8 in with a little low inside english to get the cue ball to die off the rail and leave you the 9.
i would try and cut the 8 in the bottom corner pocket with some draw on the cueball. Aim to either make it or undercut it so that the cueball ends up on the rail straight in on the 9, and if i missed the 8 would end up uptable somewhere.
It's very difficult to give a perfect answer looking at a diagram. If you set it up for me next Sunday at the poolroom, I can tell you immediately what I would do. You SHOULD be able to either use draw or follow to avoid the corner-pocket. There are some shots where it gets increasingly difficult to judge what will happen. I'm not sure this is one of those shots but like I said, the moment I see it on a table, I can tell you.
Don't like shooting the 8 in the bottom (left) pocket and trying to carrom the 9 because you risk just hitting the 9 and bumping it out where you have no shape, or having the cue scratch off of the 9, or missing the 9 with the cue and having no shape again.
Depending on how soft your opp is, and how the table is (slow, fast, tight, lose) you could opt for safe putting both on long rails
Best shot imo is making the 8 in the same pocket as the nine, you can avoid the scratch as Jude said.
Fast cloth I let it fly and 4 rail the CB, slow cloth just pocket speed should be fine (probably better to avoid scratch).
(edit: looking at it again I think you have to go 4 rails with the CB, looks too thin, IDK hard for me to tell on the CUETABLE)
I stuck myself with this shape on the 8. What would you do? My fear on the shot was making the 8 and either A) getting horrible shape on the 9 or B) ending up scratching. I ended up trying the two way shot of cutting in the 8 and caroming the 9. I missed them both and lost the game so I wanted to see how others would play this.
Even if the 8 was spotted (on the "scratch circle") you'd have to actually try to scratch the CB - the CB has to be sliding when it hits the OB in order to scratch from there.
I'd just shoot this shot in the upper right corner with natural roll and no sidespin and cut the 9 in afterwards. No special treatment needed.
I'm going to take the minority position here and choose the other pocket. I don't like shooting at the upper pocket because the nine actually obstructs a little bit of the hole; the in-off just isn't there, it's a double kiss sell out. Since the cut is thinner going that way (the cueball is a hair to the right of the median) I would want to have the full-hit side of the pocket available to me. Going to the other pocket there is no problem. A 12:00 o'clock hit and medium speed will get it done.
Edit: I agree that the scratch is not a problem here. Going either way, you're more likely to scratch at the other end of the table with accidental spin than to scratch at the foot end.
I'm going with the D+ player here. Slow rollin it to me makes it a little unpredictable, how much is it gonna throw or worse skid.
I might pinch it with low inside also, not drawing it, just holding close to the tangent line.
I'm going to take the minority position here and choose the other pocket. I don't like shooting at the upper pocket because the nine actually obstructs a little bit of the hole; the in-off just isn't there, it's a double kiss sell out. Since the cut is thinner going that way (the cueball is a hair to the right of the median) I would want to have the full-hit side of the pocket available to me. Going to the other pocket there is no problem. A 12:00 o'clock hit and medium speed will get it done.
Edit: I agree that the scratch is not a problem here. Going either way, you're more likely to scratch at the other end of the table with accidental spin than to scratch at the foot end.
You guys have to work on your diagramming here. I know everybody knows about right-angles and what not. The cueball is ALWAYS going to deflect at a right-angle. PLEASE show the cueball path as exact as possible. You know if you use follow, the cueball bends and that's going to influence things. Just hit the shift-button and left-click and you get your bend.
Once you do that, these diagrams won't look half as silly as they do now.
When I said use low inside I mean it in terms of it killing the cueball speed and the bottom wearing off before it hits the OB. It's just a low inside english finesse shot. Not drawing it to the rail and all that crazy nonsense.
When I said use low inside I mean it in terms of it killing the cueball speed and the bottom wearing off before it hits the OB. It's just a low inside english finesse shot. Not drawing it to the rail and all that crazy nonsense.
I just went out and hit this one few times.Bottom inside made the potting percentages way to low even though I could hold makable shape on the nine.
Simple top,and not much stroke gave up the nine as shown above consistantly.Much easier to "see" the shot playing off as well.For me the above option is is the simpilest.No real finesse required,just top and speed.
I just went out and hit this one few times.Bottom inside made the potting percentages way to low even though I could hold makable shape on the nine.
Simple top,and not much stroke gave up the nine as shown above consistantly.Much easier to "see" the shot playing off as well.For me the above option is is the simpilest.No real finesse required,just top and speed.
