How's This for a Positional Shot?

Meh, that shot is a regular part of my repertoire...I couldn't even typo that with a straight face. Heckuva shot.
 
Gross....

Impressive enough to keep the CB on that side of the table in that manner. Whole other level to run it all the way back down and nudge it off the rail.
 
Simply incredible. To slam in the black with reverse english, double the long rail while sending the cue ball some twenty feet, and thereby develop the last red is as fine a positional shot as you could ever expect to see. Well played!
 
He hit it too hard and got lucky. Bumping that red is as big of a mistake you can make.
It's really a routine reverse shot.
Everyone should play 3 cushion billiards or at least straight rail billiards to really understand the cue ball and how to strike it clean. Stroke control combined with spin is all it is ( Cue ball 101 ) You can catch the long rail where you choose. You can double the rail or single the rail and come straight down.
It's all about the cue ball, everything else is easy to learn.
Strike it clean and precise.
Judd is a great player and is never shy to let it out.
He got lucky on that shot.

SS.
 
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SmoothStroke said:
He hit it too hard and got lucky. Bumping that red is as big of a mistake you can make.
It's really a routine reverse shot.
Everyone should play 3 cushion billiards or at least straight rail billiards to really understand the cue ball and how to strike it clean. Stroke control combined with spin is all it is ( Cue ball 101 ) You can catch the long rail where you choose. You can double the rail or single the rail and come straight down.
It's all about the cue ball, everything else is easy to learn.
Strike it clean and precise.
Judd is a great player and is never shy to let it out.
He got lucky on that shot.

SS.
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A lot of pool players would use a similar path if they needed to, but in my opinion it’s tougher to pull off on a pool table, because that corner pocket at the far end is so much bigger than a snooker corner pocket, making it more likely that even if the cue ball doesn’t scratch, it is much more likely to strike the cushion close enough to the pocket to significantly alter its path.
 
SmoothStroke said:
He hit it too hard and got lucky. Bumping that red is as big of a mistake you can make.
It's really a routine reverse shot.
Everyone should play 3 cushion billiards or at least straight rail billiards to really understand the cue ball and how to strike it clean. Stroke control combined with spin is all it is ( Cue ball 101 ) You can catch the long rail where you choose. You can double the rail or single the rail and come straight down.
It's all about the cue ball, everything else is easy to learn.
Strike it clean and precise.
Judd is a great player and is never shy to let it out.
He got lucky on that shot.

SS.
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In my opinion, what makes this shot far more difficult than its three cushion counterpart is that a) the table isn't heated, and b) it's a 12 foot table and not a 10 foot table. That said, your statement about how billiards teaches you all the different cue ball options is very well judged.
 
sjm said:
In my opinion, what makes this shot far more difficult than its three cushion counterpart is that a) the table isn't heated, and b) it's a 12 foot table and not a 10 foot table. That said, your statement about how billiards teaches you all the different cue ball options is very well judged.
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In the current snooker tournament (German Masters on matchroom.live) if you look to the left of the ball storage drawer you can see the temperature controller for the table heater. The pro event tables are said to be much faster than typical club tables due to being heated and the fact that the cloth is shaved so it is nearly nap-free.

I think Judd may well have intended to loosen the red ball. It was far enough up the cushion to be a problem ball on a snooker table.
 
Bob Jewett said:
In the current snooker tournament (German Masters on matchroom.live) if you look to the left of the ball storage drawer you can see the temperature controller for the table heater. The pro event tables are said to be much faster than typical club tables due to being heated and the fact that the cloth is shaved so it is nearly nap-free.

I think Judd may well have intended to loosen the red ball. It was far enough up the cushion to be a problem ball on a snooker table.
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Thanks, Bob. I've played snooker in Europe on several occasions and never knew that club tables weren't customarily heated while tournament tables are. Never too old to learn!
 
sjm said:
In my opinion, what makes this shot far more difficult than its three cushion counterpart is that a) the table isn't heated, and b) it's a 12 foot table and not a 10 foot table. That said, your statement about how billiards teaches you all the different cue ball options is very well judged.
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It's not about the billiard shot or comparison to it, it's about the strike on the cue ball and stroke technique which is much easier learned playing 3 cushion as you know.

learning how to strike, redirect, feather, touch, spin, etc, of the cue ball will cut a pocket players knowledge and stroke of the cue ball significantly. It's all about the cue ball and how you strike it, playing pool is the easy part, playing with the cue ball is the name of the game and almighty king.
Once you command the cue ball, every turn at the table becomes a puzzle to solve, (not confusion) as Judd did here.

In this case I don' think the table length matters,12ft or 30 ft, it's a routine reverse strike.
The table isn't heated is so he clearly over hit it sending the cue ball 20 ft bumping the red, and got lucky . had he caught the side pocket point we might be saying he was unlucky.

Of course there are variables that come into play which is also routine on any table for any game. The knowledge and stroke technique is what makes it seem to the average player like a miracle shot while it's basically routine once you learn to hug the cue ball.
There are great shots and routine shots, to me this was routine, overcooked it and got lucky.

That old saying they make it look so easy, never shoot hard shots, look at that position,, wow he went 5 rails and got on that ball. These are routine thought processes and execution due to the knowledge of the cue ball, imagination, and stroke technique .

Just my theory on billiards in general and few things I learned from some of the greatest to ever play the game. World champion 14.1 players would tell me,,, if you want to learn how to play pool get on that table over there, that big 5x10 table with no pockets, they all played.
It wasn't long before I was playing them 14.1 and was able to with confidence hit a behind the rack break shot with inside playing 3 rails to center table or whatever needed to be done, ( with confidence) although they still killed me and I became an expert at racking.
I didn't mind donating to learn, they were all good to me and played me cheap, never for fun.
SS.
 
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How exactly did he get lucky?

Obviously he knows how the cue ball is going to react off the cushions.

Obviously he knew the cue ball would be headed towards the last red.

When the outcome meets the expectation. That's not luck.
 
Bob Jewett said:
In the current snooker tournament (German Masters on matchroom.live) if you look to the left of the ball storage drawer you can see the temperature controller for the table heater. The pro event tables are said to be much faster than typical club tables due to being heated and the fact that the cloth is shaved so it is nearly nap-free.

I think Judd may well have intended to loosen the red ball. It was far enough up the cushion to be a problem ball on a snooker table.
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The black was right there for the taking, no reason in the world to go near that red. These guys pot balls blindfolded with no hands.
I was unaware of the heating, maybe that contributed to him overcooking it.
 
Regardless of what you may have done on a pool or billiard table, your comments show a lack of snooker knowledge. Snooker balls on cushions are very tough to cut in. From where it was at, he could place the white with his hand and not like it. Plus he is a lefty, plus the white was running towards the baulk end from the black. Also, Judd is known for aggressive and showy ("exhibition") shot choices, especially when the frame is cinched. He didn't overcook anything, got a great result.
 
Trump hit that CB hard enough to reach far beyond the bottom rail. If anyone thinks "any" snooker professional (let's forget we're speaking about one of the best), doesn't have the CB control to stop above the red if he so wanted to, you have zero clue about that game, and the skill the players possess.

Pros also take every opportunity to disturb reds off cushions if possible. Potting a red that's stuck or every close to being stuck on the rail are extremely difficult to pot. Snooker cut pockets aren't the gaping buckets you see in pool. All of that said, the frame was already won, and I'm guessing the high break wasn't on, so Trump successfully played a circus shot because he can.
 
SmoothStroke said:
It's not about the billiard shot or comparison to it, it's about the strike on the cue ball and stroke technique which is much easier learned playing 3 cushion as you know.

learning how to strike, redirect, feather, touch, spin, etc, of the cue ball will cut a pocket players knowledge and stroke of the cue ball significantly. It's all about the cue ball and how you strike it, playing pool is the easy part, playing with the cue ball is the name of the game and almighty king.
Once you command the cue ball, every turn at the table becomes a puzzle to solve, (not confusion) as Judd did here.

In this case I don' think the table length matters,12ft or 30 ft, it's a routine reverse strike.
The table isn't heated is so he clearly over hit it sending the cue ball 20 ft bumping the red, and got lucky . had he caught the side pocket point we might be saying he was unlucky.

Of course there are variables that come into play which is also routine on any table for any game. The knowledge and stroke technique is what makes it seem to the average player like a miracle shot while it's basically routine once you learn to hug the cue ball.
There are great shots and routine shots, to me this was routine, overcooked it and got lucky.

That old saying they make it look so easy, never shoot hard shots, look at that position,, wow he went 5 rails and got on that ball. These are routine thought processes and execution due to the knowledge of the cue ball, imagination, and stroke technique .

Just my theory on billiards in general and few things I learned from some of the greatest to ever play the game. World champion 14.1 players would tell me,,, if you want to learn how to play pool get on that table over there, that big 5x10 table with no pockets, they all played.
It wasn't long before I was playing them 14.1 and was able to with confidence hit a behind the rack break shot with inside playing 3 rails to center table or whatever needed to be done, ( with confidence) although they still killed me and I became an expert at racking.
I didn't mind donating to learn, they were all good to me and played me cheap, never for fun.
SS.
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Thanks for these insights. I think we're mostly on the same page here. I play both pool and three cushion, and have been to quite a few three cushion tournaments as a spectator.
 
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