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What kind of whiskey did Minnesota Fats drink?
I thought he said "white tappan whiskey"
 
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whiskey from Johnny's

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kwakaa said:
http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2008/09/raise-glass-to-paul-newman.html

Raise a Glass to Paul Newman
Paul Newman died Friday at the age of 83. If you would like to raise a glass to Mr. Newman's memory, may I suggest J.T.S. Brown Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey.

Robert Rossen was a producer/director who frequently used how his characters drank to tell us something about them. For example, in his "All The King's Men" (1949), heavy drinking signified the growing corruption of Willie Stark's political movement.

With Paul Newman's "Fast Eddie" Felson in Rossen's "The Hustler" (1961), whiskey was a metaphor for weakness and lack of self control. During the climactic pool game, Newman's Felson drinks J.T.S. Brown Bourbon, straight from the bottle. His opponent, Minnesota Fats (Jackie Gleason), requests "White Tavern Whiskey, a glass and some ice." We are left to consider the possibility that Fats' brand is actually a placebo, a way to keep his advantage over Eddie by staying sober. (White Tavern was an actual brand, a blend.)

J.T.S. Brown was an early distiller and the half-brother of George Garvin Brown, who founded Brown-Forman, the parent company of Jack Daniel's. The J.T.S. Brown Distillery was established by his four sons and later continued by one of his grandsons. The last distillery to bear that name is the one in Lawrenceburg, Kentucky, known today as Four Roses. J.T.S. Brown Bourbon is still made, by Heaven Hill Distilleries, and it's quite good for a low-priced, bottom-shelf brand, but not widely distributed. I prefer the bottled-in-bond expression.

Paul Newman's spirit lives on in his movies and his salad dressing. Seriously. The Newman's Own product line has generated millions of dollars for worthy causes. For more information go here.
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Its odd but whatever you are quoting from is wrong. There was no White Tavern before the movie. The book called for an actual brand, I think White Horse.

Kevin
 
I've drank JTS Brown on a couple of occasions and it wasn't terrible. It's made by Heaven Hill who makes one of the better well whiskeys. White Tavern was never a real brand. Just a way of letting Bert Gordon know he is in action by telling Preach to "get it at Johnny's".
 
kvinbrwr said:
Its odd but whatever you are quoting from is wrong. There was no White Tavern before the movie. The book called for an actual brand, I think White Horse.

Kevin
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Pushout said:
White Tavern in the movie, White Horse in the book.
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+1 White Tavern in the movie, White Horse in the book.

FWIW: Still photo's of the bottle's of JTS Brown in The Hustler show the label resembling the look of the Jack Daniels Old #7 label.
 
Does anyone besides me thing Fats asked for the booze for 2 reasons. First of course, to get Burt's attendance, but secondly, white tavern whiskey is clear and one can't tell how much it has been watered. I found it curious that Burt pointed out that Fats knew how to drink. I think Fats knew how to get a drink that made less ill effects to his game. Burt called it character; his meaning of character could be construed as knowing how to get an edge when you don't have enough skill.
 
matcase said:
Does anyone besides me thing Fats asked for the booze for 2 reasons. First of course, to get Burt's attendance, but secondly, white tavern whiskey is clear and one can't tell how much it has been watered. I found it curious that Burt pointed out that Fats knew how to drink. I think Fats knew how to get a drink that made less ill effects to his game. Burt called it character; his meaning of character could be construed as knowing how to get an edge when you don't have enough skill.
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For sure Fats might have called for placebo whisky.

What Burt ever said meant nothing regarding what was really happening, Burt was always working and for sure he was working Eddie when he went on that "character" ramble.

However, from what I can remember of the book (which the movie followed very closely) there was no mention of Fats drinking fake or watered down booze, so I'm thinking he just sipped or was a better drinker than Eddie. Plus, in the book he drank a brand that did exist. I'm thinking it more likely that they had an issue with White Horse so just changed a word and got past it, although its way possible that they changed it to enhance the story and have Fats drinking fake.

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
F I'm thinking it more likely that they had an issue with White Horse so just changed a word and got past it,

Kevin
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White Horse always means herion or coke to me. Maybe it did back then, too.

Freddie <~~~ don't ride
 
kvinbrwr said:
For sure Fats might have called for placebo whisky.

What Burt ever said meant nothing regarding what was really happening, Burt was always working and for sure he was working Eddie when he went on that "character" ramble.

However, from what I can remember of the book (which the movie followed very closely) there was no mention of Fats drinking fake or watered down booze, so I'm thinking he just sipped or was a better drinker than Eddie. Plus, in the book he drank a brand that did exist. I'm thinking it more likely that they had an issue with White Horse so just changed a word and got past it, although its way possible that they changed it to enhance the story and have Fats drinking fake.

Kevin
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Great stories OFTEN leave certain things to the reader/viewer to decide. So, it's just a matter of opinion. BUT...it is LEGENDARY for people to tell the bartender to water their drinks or they pour the booze into a flower pot.

MY PERSONAL OPINION is that "White Tavern (Horse) was Fat's code that he wanted watered down booze...if any at all. He was HUSTLING Eddie into getting drunk. If he didn't, he SHOULD have!!

SAME as Dean Martin's "con" about being a heavy boozer when he worked. FLAT not true. Dean's son Ricci wrote a book "That's Amore: A Son Remembers Dean Martin" in which he states that AT MOST Dean would have ONE heavily watered down scotch & soda and nursed it through the whole show. And that he OFTEN just had plain apple juice.

And the fact that Dino Paul Crocetti took the name of Dean Martin has OFTEN been attributed to Dean's love for martinis. NOT TRUE. Ricci says he never ONCE saw his father drink a martini.

So, Dino was just hustling us!

Sorry for swerving OT but just reinforcing my OPINION that Fat's was hustling Eddie on the booze thing.


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EagleMan
 
Pushout said:
White Tavern in the movie, White Horse in the book.
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This from another blog:

As a fan of The Hustler, I have tried for some time to research White Tavern Whiskey. I have concluded that it does not exist. In Walter Tevis' book, "The Hustler," Minnesota Fasts asks for White Horse Whiskey not White Tavern Whiskey. In the book, Fast Eddie asks for JTS Brown as he does in the movie. I suspect there was a financial reason that the name White Horse whiskey was not used in the movie. Perhaps Gleason did not want to be associated with a particular brand or perhaps they did not get permission to use the name. Or maybe White Tavern just sounds better.

Also from what I read around the net,there was a White Taven brand but it was created after the movie.Lots of blogs and discussions of this on the net...
 
Dose is typically given per kg

With perhaps twice the body mass, the Fat Man likely could out drink the Fast Man anyway.

Drink safely over the Holidays, and at all times.

Take care,
Nick
 
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