I'm honestly not sure. Whatever Cuetec uses. I'm considering sending one of mine to DZ to have the ferrule/insert etc, replaced with Tomahawk. Unfortunately, I'm one of those "if it ain't broke don't fix it" guys.
Hybrid Shafts.
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Thanks!!
Where you get those??
So if I understand their marketing language, the fiberglass bonded shaft is strong enuf to allow for 10" of air under the ferrule.
I guess foam would either increase price, weight, deflection, and/or all 3.
I'm sure they researched this thoroughly B4 settling on air.
I respect the guys at Cuetec.
They make quality billiard products. But " Air Light front end" sure is a fancy way of saying hollow. Does sound better tho.
Yeah, in my experience, the foam that is used as filler does absolutely nothing besides preventing resonance, which actually deadens feel even more. My hybrids have empty space inside the tube.So if I understand their marketing language, the fiberglass bonded shaft is strong enuf to allow for 10" of air under the ferrule.
I guess foam would either increase price, weight, deflection, and/or all 3.
I'm sure they researched this thoroughly B4 settling on air.
I respect the guys at Cuetec.
They make quality billiard products. But " Air Light front end" sure is a fancy way of saying hollow. Does sound better tho.
I went to hard tips and the Becue Prime II 12.0 shaft, it has a super long taper, don't know the number but it looks longer than any shaft I have ever seen, so you get "feedback" like a wooden shaft and the energy transfer of a CF shaft, the Bulletproof Recoil hard tip(green) is a super hard tip that holds chalk great, the only miscues I get are from my non pro like inconsistent stroke....I admit it, lying about it ain't going to fix it.......
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Ten inches means a third of the Cuetec Avid shaft is hollow.
The Predator 314 (Z-3 and Vantage, too?) is about five inches hollow (314 and 314-2) and foam filled (314-3). See AZ thread 1, AZ thread 2 , AZ thread 3, PoolDawg below, and YouTube below.
I am guessing companies seeking lower deflection may have the same, shorter but not longer hollowed-out length shafts. If so, the Cuetec Avid ten-inch-hollow shaft is very different from probably all other shafts.
It doesn't matter, only the end mass in the first 5-6 inches makes any difference.
Could this be why on foam filled they use a damper??
Ah, the good ol USPS.
On wooden ld shafts like the predator shafts, they core them so thin that the damper helps to prevent failure by minimizing the impact. The video that someone posted of billiards direct in San Diego, I first started making cues out of his shop and did warranty predator shaft repair out of Brandon's shop in the back there with my best friend who worked for him. We were actually the ones who drove down and got his porper cue making lathe and set it up for him that he uses for his repairs and tip replacements. Well, first we did the repairs and tip replacements and I wasn't even getting paid, but I was able to use his equipment to make cues.
I eventually got my own machinist lathe and built and designed my own cnc cue making lathe. I'm now finishing up a 40"x20"x8" 4 axis milling machine for making cues and doing other things.
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I'd say that makes you pool royalty with a pedigree like that kev.
Stupid question, but what is a damper?? Material and location. I'm clueless.
It's not the pad under the tip is it??
He's probably referring to the foam filling.I'd say that makes you pool royalty with a pedigree like that kev.
Stupid question, but what is a damper?? Material and location. I'm clueless.
It's not the pad under the tip is it??
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JFlowers most-expensive shaft, its SMO carbon fiber, has two shock absorbers --- JFlowers' words --- to absorb vibration during the hit. They are near joint and tip ends. See it below and at this link
I thought it was a pad or some type of vibration limiting material. Thanks for the info Paul!!!
No. There's an actual damper somewhere in the shaft to lessen vibration and noise. My understanding of them anyway. I was also told they can be tuned to your specs for a certain hit. I'm not sure how truthful that statement is, can only repeat what the maker told me.
I forget what they called the soft ferrule when they didn't want to call it a ferrule. However, I always figured that the soft ferrule was to kill the resonance and keep the carbon fiber shaft from sounding like the hollow glass shafts.
Using foam in different places to tune the shaft is taking things to another level. Long ago there were images of the spliced wooden shafts that showed some interior horror stories of the hollow portion being off to one side and such. Easy to forget that the original reason for spliced shafts was to use up crappy blanks. CF should be a substantial step above that.
Part of me wants to get my back in a corner and scream "wood is real!" However, just looking at other sports I always expected wood to become outdated. Hard to beat a good wooden shaft and I don't know that CF has but if it hasn't it will. One reason is that it can deliver consistency that wood can't.
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Using foam in different places to tune the shaft is taking things to another level. Long ago there were images of the spliced wooden shafts that showed some interior horror stories of the hollow portion being off to one side and such. Easy to forget that the original reason for spliced shafts was to use up crappy blanks. CF should be a substantial step above that.
Part of me wants to get my back in a corner and scream "wood is real!" However, just looking at other sports I always expected wood to become outdated. Hard to beat a good wooden shaft and I don't know that CF has but if it hasn't it will. One reason is that it can deliver consistency that wood can't.
Hu
Yep. Once all of us old die hard maple guys kick it, that is.