I am disappointed...
- Thread starter Shorty
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I agree, DM was far to kind, in that post.MFB said:
Of all the posts I have ever read, the 'Somebody Did Me Wrong' posts, are the posts that, I despise the most.
It's always the same...
'So & So cheated me.'
'Did you give him a chance to make it right?'
"Well, no, but I got cheated!'
I hope everyone, that sees this, will think twice, before ever starting such a thread. Almost every time, the reputation most damaged, is that of the thread originator, IMO.
Tracy
drivermaker
Banned
Shorty said:
You didn't mention it outright in this thread, but your victimization in all of these transactions and the fact that you've said it enough times in the past always implies it. You would have played it out in words sooner or later.
You need help, you really are a sick person. You kinda remind me of Snoopy playing the "Red Baron" with his WWI leather fighter pilot's headgear on flying around here with your big mouth going rat-a tat-tat-tat....rat-a-tat-tat-tat...trying to mow everyone down in your path that wrongs you in a deal. (at least wrongs you in YOUR sordid mind) I think that boa is around your neck instead of the scarf they wore as part of outfit.
drivermaker
Banned
MFB said:
Who cares what you think...sue me!
drivermaker
Banned
MFB said:
What the hell are you talking about?? SHORTY has said those EXACT words numerous times on here!! There is NOTHING over the top about it...it's A FACT! He's said people take him lightly about what he posts and how he plays due to the fact that he's in a wheelchair. Go back in his posts under his member name and do your own research before you start opening YOUR big mouth. This also isn't your first time jumping on me, so I also know where YOU'RE coming from and what your motives are.
Actually, I think the vendor, should get a chance to respond, before it even gets to the forum. There are exceptions, where the thread originator, has tried to work it out with the vendor first, but those occasions are far too rare.iconcue said:
Tracy
Thanks for the info. I've heard nothing but good things about Proficient Billiards and Scott, and had already made a mental note to contact them for refinishing in cases where the cue could not be sent back to the original maker, and will still do so.Shorty said:
I have only sent two cues in for refinishing (to original makers in both cases), and both times I asked the cue-makers in advance to contact me if there were any problems we hadn't discussed - one of the two actually required a discussion once he had the cue.
Shorty - there's an "ignore list" feature to this forum that you should consider using. Mine only has one name on it, but I think it reduces stress not having to even deal with virtual a*holes who in real life are probably decent people. If you don't see the message you won't respond and the message will stand on it's own for it's exact value...nothing.
Of course everyone knows he is in a wheelchair. I could be wrong, I am not on this AZ board all the time, and haven't read all his posts, but I don't remember him WHINING about people taking advantage of him (cue dealings) because he is in a WHEELCHAIR. And if he has, so be it, do yourself a favor, and show some class once in awhile.
As far as 'jumping on you'. I agree with you more than you think. I think this might be only the second time I haven't agreed with you enough to post about it (and I can't even remember the first), so do you own research before opening YOUR big mouth.
As far as 'jumping on you'. I agree with you more than you think. I think this might be only the second time I haven't agreed with you enough to post about it (and I can't even remember the first), so do you own research before opening YOUR big mouth.
drivermaker said:
WOW. I thought I was gonna miss out again on another exciting thread. Guess I can't say anything that hasn't already been said though. No, we don't have posse's here. Most of us on here realize(or just realized)what Shorty is about. Myself and Skippy has listened to it first hand and in person. Most of us have different issues with Shorty, but have the same opinion about him. Shorty, it all starts by changing the guy you see everyday in the mirror.
I like the fact that Scot pointed out the problem was with your PRODUCTION CUE'S FACTORY veneers. Not his problem. He's the expert not you, so don't sit there with a dumbfounded look on your face.
I like the fact that Scot pointed out the problem was with your PRODUCTION CUE'S FACTORY veneers. Not his problem. He's the expert not you, so don't sit there with a dumbfounded look on your face.
drivermaker
Banned
MFB said:
That's good to hear...I'll just write those two times off to "bad days" for you or "temporary insanity".
Shorty said:
I beg to differ, you didn't give him a chance to right this. You told him that you "wouldn't lose sleep over it" letting him know that it's no big deal. If it's no big deal to you why on earth would he try to make something right that you "aren't going to lose sleep over?" Secondly, if Schon used filler in their veneer and it came out when he took the finish off then he has to put it back right? I suppose he could have just finished over it and it would have looked like the veneer was missing. If you thought the color didn't match good enough you should have told him this and asked him to fix it, or at least inquire about what could be done. Since you were "just letting him know" I don't think there was anything wrong with the way he handled it.
I imagine he will respond and I hope he does. You say "soon enough", I say, soon enough, would have been before, Shorty started this thread.Hal said:
Tracy
I can only speak of my personal experiences with Scott Sherbine and Proficient Billiards. They have worked on, repaired, and refinished many of my cues. I have never had any issue with any of their work. Scott has always called me when there was an issue other than what we originally spoke of to be addressed. He has done work above and beyond the norm at no cost to me, such as cleaning the wrap, etc on a refinish, even though I did not ask for it.
I find it very difficult to accept that he did anything to a cue that would detract from the overall value and/or appearance of the cue. A charge of $5 for "filler" is very minor. If there was a gap, etc, in the point, do you feel he should have left it and finished over the hole, etc? What would the comment have been then?
A cue repair specialist like Scott runs into some very difficult situations. Folks send damaged cues and expect them to come back as new and not to cost them anything. Scott usually does remarkable things with a cue.....
I find it very difficult to accept that he did anything to a cue that would detract from the overall value and/or appearance of the cue. A charge of $5 for "filler" is very minor. If there was a gap, etc, in the point, do you feel he should have left it and finished over the hole, etc? What would the comment have been then?
A cue repair specialist like Scott runs into some very difficult situations. Folks send damaged cues and expect them to come back as new and not to cost them anything. Scott usually does remarkable things with a cue.....
Thoghts ...
I believe that Edye expressed things the most objective for the situation
and logical without being prejudiced from past association and arguments
with Shorty, as some were, and rather obvious about it.
First, in having dealings on E-bay, it is not like going in person to a store,
and examining something before buying, BUT if the store shipped to me,
and it was scarred or damaged in transit, I would object and rather Strongly.
But Shorty was hoping for COMPLETE restoration of the damage, which he obviously did not get. If someone gives an estimate, they live with it, unless
they get authorization for any over charges for work needed beyond the estimate, which occurs frequently when the repair person gets to the
'inside' of the repair work. It is the repair person's responsibility to notify the
buyer of the problem, and get authorization for additional work PRIOR to the
work being done.
An obvious question popped into my head, and I am surprised that noone
previous ever brought it up. Does Shorty or Scot suffer from partial color
blindness? If it was a matter of matching a glue to the color in the veneer,
this can be very difficult sometimes to get it to come out perfect in color.
I grew up working in My Dad's Body Shop and have run across situations similiar. Also, Have any of you ever tried to repair the interior of your car,
like a dash tear?
It is an unfornunate situation, but I believe it could be resolved amicably with
a little more communications between Shorty and Scot. I do not believe that
either Shorty or Scot needed to be nailed to a cross over this. Does Scot
guarantee his work? If he is conscencioius about his work, he will, or have a
'I will make it right' attitude. Shorty, in his opinion, has a legitimate complaint,
but did not state the situation very well originally and completely.
Scot should again be given a chance to make it right, and Shorty should tell
him that the quality problem he sees is not with Schon, although it may originally been, but Scot failure to match the colors involved in his work.
(But, I might add fixing someone else's lack of quality can really snowball
on you sometimes, developing into many more problems than originally
thought - I know because I have fixed many a program and system orginally
done by inept programmers and systems people that would not know a
structured program if they saw it or could program their way out of a wet
paper bag).
Shorty needs to go back to Scot and again express his concerns, the reasons
for them as they pertain to Scot. Then give Scot a chance to retify the
problem.
Seems to me that we just had a thread about cues and a dealer, and
everyone was giving glowing recommendations until ICONCUE expressed
negative experiences with the person. And then someone also voiced
a negative experience. The truth usually lies somewhere between the
two sides explanations.
I believe that Edye expressed things the most objective for the situation
and logical without being prejudiced from past association and arguments
with Shorty, as some were, and rather obvious about it.
First, in having dealings on E-bay, it is not like going in person to a store,
and examining something before buying, BUT if the store shipped to me,
and it was scarred or damaged in transit, I would object and rather Strongly.
But Shorty was hoping for COMPLETE restoration of the damage, which he obviously did not get. If someone gives an estimate, they live with it, unless
they get authorization for any over charges for work needed beyond the estimate, which occurs frequently when the repair person gets to the
'inside' of the repair work. It is the repair person's responsibility to notify the
buyer of the problem, and get authorization for additional work PRIOR to the
work being done.
An obvious question popped into my head, and I am surprised that noone
previous ever brought it up. Does Shorty or Scot suffer from partial color
blindness? If it was a matter of matching a glue to the color in the veneer,
this can be very difficult sometimes to get it to come out perfect in color.
I grew up working in My Dad's Body Shop and have run across situations similiar. Also, Have any of you ever tried to repair the interior of your car,
like a dash tear?
It is an unfornunate situation, but I believe it could be resolved amicably with
a little more communications between Shorty and Scot. I do not believe that
either Shorty or Scot needed to be nailed to a cross over this. Does Scot
guarantee his work? If he is conscencioius about his work, he will, or have a
'I will make it right' attitude. Shorty, in his opinion, has a legitimate complaint,
but did not state the situation very well originally and completely.
Scot should again be given a chance to make it right, and Shorty should tell
him that the quality problem he sees is not with Schon, although it may originally been, but Scot failure to match the colors involved in his work.
(But, I might add fixing someone else's lack of quality can really snowball
on you sometimes, developing into many more problems than originally
thought - I know because I have fixed many a program and system orginally
done by inept programmers and systems people that would not know a
structured program if they saw it or could program their way out of a wet
paper bag).
Shorty needs to go back to Scot and again express his concerns, the reasons
for them as they pertain to Scot. Then give Scot a chance to retify the
problem.
Seems to me that we just had a thread about cues and a dealer, and
everyone was giving glowing recommendations until ICONCUE expressed
negative experiences with the person. And then someone also voiced
a negative experience. The truth usually lies somewhere between the
two sides explanations.
Shorty said:
I believe that many who responded did read your post and thought about their responses. I also believe that you did not take your own advice before starting this thread. Perhaps you'll learn from this, but somehow I doubt it, you seem to like complaining ...
The only real answer is ...... BAN SHORTY !
Dave
just kidding about the banishment, ignoring and discounting works for me, perhaps better drugs would work for shorty
I think you are missing my point. The vendor should have the opprotunity to discuss and try to resolve the problem, before it goes public.iconcue said:why would a vendor reply to a problem with shorty on a public forum before it was brought up on the public forum?
Tracy
I meant, he should have been given a chance to respond to Shorty, in private.Hal said:
That is pretty much, my point, exactly.Hal said:Is he a mind reader??
Tracy